Comments on: T.U.L.I.P http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/ Biblical Christianity, Reformed Theology, Reformed Apologetics Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:34:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Jean Cauvin http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4373 Jean Cauvin Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:20:19 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4373 We must remember, that the stupid questions are also predestined. Jean Cauvin We must remember, that the stupid questions are also predestined.

Jean Cauvin

]]> By: Mario http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4363 Mario Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:12:57 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4363 PastorBruce, Why even get into this Pastor B? Are you seeking a biblical answer? God's divine plan is being carried out in the world today, specifically in the church at large. There will be those who think they are saved, but in the end hear those terrible words, "depart from me, I never knew you." It is more important that we examine ourselves as individuals. Are we, as a result of studying the Scriptures, motivated to holiness? So often we ask these "what if" types of questions, but to what end? In our own minds we may already be convinced. In the end, the Lord Almighty will do as He so desires. The fact that He is sovereign magnifies our responsibilities! Not to quarrel about "what ifs," but to propel the work of God into the church and the world, that the Lord may give His people a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the in the knowledge of Him. That the eyes of the people's hearts may be enlightened, so that they would know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward His people who believe. Pastor Bruce....My conviction is that this is more important than the question you pose....... PastorBruce,

Why even get into this Pastor B? Are you seeking a biblical answer? God’s divine plan is being carried out in the world today, specifically in the church at large. There will be those who think they are saved, but in the end hear those terrible words, “depart from me, I never knew you.”

It is more important that we examine ourselves as individuals. Are we, as a result of studying the Scriptures, motivated to holiness? So often we ask these “what if” types of questions, but to what end? In our own minds we may already be convinced. In the end, the Lord Almighty will do as He so desires. The fact that He is sovereign magnifies our responsibilities! Not to quarrel about “what ifs,” but to propel the work of God into the church and the world, that the Lord may give His people a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the in the knowledge of Him. That the eyes of the people’s hearts may be enlightened, so that they would know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward His people who believe.

Pastor Bruce….My conviction is that this is more important than the question you pose…….

]]> By: OverCommiTAD2theWord http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4350 OverCommiTAD2theWord Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:32:45 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4350 Pastor B, I could be wrong, but "what, if" senarios are not profitable. Pastor B,
I could be wrong, but “what, if” senarios are not profitable.

]]> By: pastorbruce http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4336 pastorbruce Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:07:45 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4336 What of the "non-elect" that understand and promote the “T.U.L.I.P” accurately but hold that they are those who are destined to be "endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction" to God's glory." What of the “non-elect” that understand and promote the “T.U.L.I.P” accurately but hold that they are those who are destined to be “endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction” to God’s glory.”

]]> By: Jean Cauvin http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4300 Jean Cauvin Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:11:35 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4300 Stephen you were right. Thank you for the clarification Dr. Morey. It sounded literal when I first heard it. This has been a head scratch for many years. The scratching has now discontinued. Jean Cauvin Stephen you were right. Thank you for the clarification Dr. Morey. It sounded literal when I first heard it.

This has been a head scratch for many years. The scratching has now discontinued.

Jean Cauvin

]]> By: MCUMC http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4270 MCUMC Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:01:19 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4270 I would go one step further and say that the Reformed Fatih is but a footnote to the Bible. The BIBLE, not Reformed Faith, has a worldview that is worthy of applying one's life to, and all of it. There is a tendency among the Reformed, I find, to place upon the Bible their "system" and interpret the Bible through it, rather than allow the Bible to interpret their "system." I would go one step further and say that the Reformed Fatih is but a footnote to the Bible. The BIBLE, not Reformed Faith, has a worldview that is worthy of applying one’s life to, and all of it.

There is a tendency among the Reformed, I find, to place upon the Bible their “system” and interpret the Bible through it, rather than allow the Bible to interpret their “system.”

]]> By: Dr. Morey http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4250 Dr. Morey Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:59:39 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4250 Jean Cauvin I was using an illustration that the Refromed Faith has so much more to offer as a worldview that T.U.L.I.P. is like a footnote in a set of books. Some people understand the five points but not the worldview. I have spent almost 40 years applying the worldview to all of life. Jean Cauvin
I was using an illustration that the Refromed Faith has so much more to offer as a worldview that T.U.L.I.P. is like a footnote in a set of books. Some people understand the five points but not the worldview. I have spent almost 40 years applying the worldview to all of life.

]]> By: Jean Cauvin http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4232 Jean Cauvin Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:54:54 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4232 I once personally asked him the name of the two volume set and he could not recall it. That doesn't make sense to use a metaphore in reference to a two volume set. Perhaps if he finds time and reads this he can clarify it for the both of us. Was this a metaphore or is there an actual two volume set of books out there with an actual footnote that first uses the tern TULIP. Maybe you're right. Jean Cauvin. I once personally asked him the name of the two volume set and he could not recall it.

That doesn’t make sense to use a metaphore in reference to a two volume set.

Perhaps if he finds time and reads this he can clarify it for the both of us. Was this a metaphore or is there an actual two volume set of books out there with an actual footnote that first uses the tern TULIP.

Maybe you’re right.

Jean Cauvin.

]]> By: Stephen Macasil http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4146 Stephen Macasil Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:25:09 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4146 Jean, he was saying that TULIP is not all there is to Calvinism. He used the footnote analogy (TULIP is only a footnote on a page in a volume that is part of a set) to make the point that Calvinism is a world and life view, IOW, much more than TULIP. Jean, he was saying that TULIP is not all there is to Calvinism. He used the footnote analogy (TULIP is only a footnote on a page in a volume that is part of a set) to make the point that Calvinism is a world and life view, IOW, much more than TULIP.

]]> By: Jean Cauvin http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4144 Jean Cauvin Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:08:36 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/tulip/#comment-4144 Regarding a saying via Dr. Morey, Dr. Morey once responded to a question at a apologetics classs one night on Tulip. The question was on a tape and then turned into a series. In the Q&A single tape though, he said that the concept of TULIP was actually a small "footnote" in a large two volume set (the 2 volume set title is not named). What on earth is the name of this two volume set (just a name). He probably doesn't remember the page number, but to claim this one should at least know the name of the book. Tulip was a counter-attack against the remonstrance of 1610 at the Synod of Dort in 1618. The 5 points of Armininianism were antithetical to the 5 points of Calvinism (though not in order of each other or in correspondant order). So again, via Dr. Morey's tape 1) What is the name of this 2 volume set where Tulip is first used? 2) If it's know what is the page #? (at least the book name please) I have asked other professors this question and nobody knows what I'm talking about. I truly hope that the name of the book set is at least known. To claim fatigue or memory loss at this point is down right frustrating. Jean Cauvin Regarding a saying via Dr. Morey,

Dr. Morey once responded to a question at a apologetics classs one night on Tulip. The question was on a tape and then turned into a series.

In the Q&A single tape though, he said that the concept of TULIP was actually a small “footnote” in a large two volume set (the 2 volume set title is not named).

What on earth is the name of this two volume set (just a name). He probably doesn’t remember the page number, but to claim this one should at least know the name of the book.

Tulip was a counter-attack against the remonstrance of 1610 at the Synod of Dort in 1618. The 5 points of Armininianism were antithetical to the 5 points of Calvinism (though not in order of each other or in correspondant order).

So again, via Dr. Morey’s tape

1) What is the name of this 2 volume set where Tulip is first used?
2) If it’s know what is the page #? (at least the book name please)

I have asked other professors this question and nobody knows what I’m talking about.

I truly hope that the name of the book set is at least known. To claim fatigue or memory loss at this point is down right frustrating.

Jean Cauvin

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