Thanks for the encouragement. I will say though that in response to Aarons post, I speak of Tiller attending Church, as in attending an institution, my points is made regardless of whether we know who is saved and who is not. Even apostate Israel carried their tribal names regardless of their eternal election.

Thanks again

I refuse to call that place a church. Anybody can build a steeple and claim they are worshipping God. They certainly aren’t worshipping the same God that I do. Therefore, I think it is more appropriate to call them a cult. (or maybe I’m going overboard).

Good luck on your move to Kansas. You know you can always move to Houston (you’d have family here too.

I really don’t understand how I was rude and insulting. That certainly was not my intention.

To your question: Aaron, it would be good if you asked instead of assume about me and then try to build a strawman against my stand. I did not vote for a third party. I apologize for assuming you were true to your word. On September 10th and September 11, 2008 you made it abundantly clear that you would not vote for McCain (or Obama). You said “Weellll….LOL I’m not behind McCain/Palin for a number of reasons, not the least of which is, Palin’s a feminist and McCain leans liberal. You left several other posts along the same lines. Based on those posts, I was left with one of three conclusions. (1) You voted for a third party (since you wont support (D) or (R) candidates (2) You didn’t cast a vote for President or (3) you actually voted for McCain even after you left post after post so adamantly opposing such action. I took you for your word and figured that based upon your word that (1) was the mostly likely outcome. You say I’m wrong so (2) or (3) must therefore be true.

It defies logic how not voting for someone is voting for someone. How in the world does standing for Truth make the righteous responsible for evil?? That’s downright unbiblical as well as irrational.

It is neither illogical or irrational. Let me offer an example along similar lines: If a person witnesses a crime occuring and does absolutely nothing, is that person not responsible for the crime? Not legally, of course, but from a moral and ethical sense that persons shares some responsibility. The person wasn’t the one committing the crime but at the same time that person could have done something to prevent it, stop it, or notify somebody about it. Therefore, in some sense, that person is responsible for the crime. The same is true with voting. If a person knows that voting for a third party (or not voting at all) essentially insures an Obama victory, then it makes perfect logical sense to conclude that said person shares some responsibility for his election via the foolish decision.

Now, I think you disagree. I think th at is ok. I believe there is room for disagreement on how best to vote in these situations. I certainly understand why you would not want to vote for McCain. But you have disagreed vehemently with any Christian who has voted “pragmatically” according to your estimation, so much so, that I’d dare say you’ve practically accused your borthers and sisters of blatant disregard of Scripture in this matter. I take great offense to that. So my point wasn’t really to accuse you or blame you for Obama’s election but rather to show you that not everyone agrees with your interpretation of Scripture in this matter (in fact, the majority of Christians here and elswhere I’ve noticed you frequent disagree with you).

I wish to not discuss with you anymore Aaron as you have been rude and insulting.

I certainly can’t force you to discuss anything with me. But I’m also not going to let you hit and run. You have accused many here of failing to live and act according to your interpretation of Scripture. That is what is insulting . You’re wrong to make such accusations and I’m not going to stop holding you accountable for it because it makes you uncomfortable.

I love what you wrote about singing the Psalms! Thank you for always pointing us to Scripture, by God’s grace.

Oddly enough you and I were just talking about Tiller in the wee hours of the morning of his death, during our group fellowship time. It has been a huge burden on my heart as you know. So, yes, I do believe the righteous, again by God’s grace, are glad, I know I am!

I was rereading your post and want to thank you for it!

You said: “Christianity is not “nice feelings about bad people”. That is a characature.Its also a very telling and seeming “prophetic” statement about the state of the Church in America. The Church of Jesus Christ declares that such abortion is murder, yet within its own walls a prolific killer maintained his occupation without excommunication. This is a telling statement on the spiritual condition of our congregations.”

So true…if only that church had, number one not given in to liberalism but instead were preaching the true gospel and had been doing what Spurgeon advises, below…things may have gone differently.

“Do not come in to weaken us, we are weak enough already. Do not come in to adulterate our purity, we have enough impurity even now. Pray that God may make you a real increase to our prayerfulness, to our holiness, to our earnestness, to our higher life, and then come and welcome, and the Lord be with you!”

But, we know our God’s plans can not be thwarted and this was His will. You are so right…it was “poetic justice” that Tiller has been stopped…

Here is a Psalm that I sing to a triumphal tune I’ve modified (sounds very much like “And Can It Be” at around 110bmp) that relates to the discussion in this thread.

Ps. 68:1-3

God shall arise, his enemies shall be scattered;
and those who hate him shall flee before him!

As smoke is driven away, so you shall drive them away;
as wax melts before fire,
so the wicked shall perish before God!

But the righteous shall be glad;
they shall exult before God;
they shall be jubilant with joy!

Try singing the entire Psalm…

You keep trying to take me down rabbit trails: drug dealers, pedophile priests, prostitutes, porn films, city hall?, but I’m not going there (it’s too far outta my way).

Apparently somehow you interpret my comments to mean that I’m trying to eliminate all sin. I give you high marks for imagination.

You’re right, of course, God has given the State the authority to punish wrong doers (Rom 13:4), I know you don’t think that authority is unlimited. So where is your line?

If the State can choose one group of people to kill, in this case defenseless children in the womb. What if it chose to kill another group? Is there any level of tyranny that would justify fighting in your eyes? Just asking…

From the article: On a recent webcast of his daily radio talk show, Wiley Drake, former second vice-president of the SBC, called last Sunday’s murder of Tiller “an answer to prayer.” Then during an interview with Alan Colmes on Fox News Radio, Drake said he was praying the same type of “imprecatory prayer” against the president of the United States.

Article here.

It defies logic how not voting for someone is voting for someone. How in the world does standing for Truth make the righteous responsible for evil?? That’s downright unbiblical as well as irrational.

McCain:

voted to confirm Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Steven Breyer to the Supreme Court…

conspired with Democrats in the Senate to block approval of Bush’s most conservative jurists…

had an affair with Cindy his current wife while married to his first wife Carol, and acknowledged his multiple girlfriends over the years…

went against the voters (56% ) of his state of AZ, who passed Prop 200 requiring proof of citizenship before voting or getting state benefits…

is a leader in amnesty and partnered with Ted Kennedy on the bill’s language and sponsorship…

led opposition to building the border fence….

discussed with the Dems in 2001 about leaving the GOP, then in 2004 talked with John Kerry about becoming his running mate….

These are my reasons why I could not vote for all that liberalism and still call myself a Christian and a Conservative.

HOW we vote reflects what we REALLY believe. I trust God’s sovereign hand and in standing for Truth I will not help evil. And with the view of pragmaticism that you have Aaron, Christians and Conservatives voted in TWICE the worst governor the state of CA has ever had, even out-spending Davis. With the fear of the opposition, we now have a governor who has pushed homosexuality straight into the classrooms and will raise our taxes and fees more than Davis ever did.

My main point in my other post was that at the heart of politics are values and beliefs. What we really believe is reflected in how we vote: will I stand my ground on principles or toss them ? Then what makes one conservative? Because they merely claim it? I strive to ACT according to what I believe.

I wish to not discuss with you anymore Aaron as you have been rude and insulting.