Comments on: Calvinism: The No. 3 “New Idea” http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-no-3-new-idea/ Biblical Christianity, Reformed Theology, Reformed Apologetics Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:34:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Travis http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-no-3-new-idea/#comment-51072 Travis Sun, 06 Sep 2009 02:11:44 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/?p=763#comment-51072 Ill try to answer the best I can, first off the whole idea is to be anti Neo-Platonic, and be missional get out of the idea of bringing people to church to be saved but the people in the church bringing the gospel out of the church (building) not ecclesia. There is much diversity in the network, which we and others say are the essential and the unessential’s, the essentials all Acts 29 churches must hold to or they are put under discipline, but the unessential’s which are many from eschatology to style of worship etc. as far as Mark and the Crystal Cathedral, I don’t know what was said, I do know that Dr Schuller has made comments that are heretical and should be corrected, this is not an Armenian / Calvinist issue this is a false teacher issue, but we can go deeper with that if you want. any more questions let me know Ill try to answer the best I can,

first off the whole idea is to be anti Neo-Platonic, and be missional get out of the idea of bringing people to church to be saved but the people in the church bringing the gospel out of the church (building) not ecclesia.

There is much diversity in the network, which we and others say are the essential and the unessential’s, the essentials all Acts 29 churches must hold to or they are put under discipline, but the unessential’s which are many from eschatology to style of worship etc.

as far as Mark and the Crystal Cathedral, I don’t know what was said, I do know that Dr Schuller has made comments that are heretical and should be corrected, this is not an Armenian / Calvinist issue this is a false teacher issue, but we can go deeper with that if you want.

any more questions let me know

]]> By: Frank http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-no-3-new-idea/#comment-50350 Frank Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:02:49 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/?p=763#comment-50350 Travis, Thanks for your kind note of Aug. 29. I would've replied sooner, but for some weekend thunderstorms. Thanks for offering to answer my questions. I may take you up on your offer. For about a year, I've been acquainted with one of The Well's members, a young man who owns a bookstore on Broad Street in downtown Augusta. http://www.thebooktavern.com http://www.booktavern.com He's an interesting, likable person, and I've sensed a Christian brotherly fellowship whenever I've browsed or shopped at his store. While I was there yesterday afternoon (Aug. 31), he described Acts 29 as a network of churches that subscribe to a creed of core beliefs but that are free to vary their styles of worship. He said, as you may know, that The Well is moving to a new storefront location—right next to Planned Parenthood! So they'll have their work cut out for them and, I hope, be a good influence. A coworker of mine attends a non-denominational Bible Chapel setting up shop about six blocks down from The Well. He regularly passes out tracts on First Friday (a well-attended monthly celebration downtown) and has mentioned running into a Well member who does the same thing. The area—which includes restaurants, bars, nightclubs, and even a few strip clubs—can use all the godly influence Christians are willing to provide. Anyway, I've mentioned these things as a way of saying I'd not suspected any problems at The Well until I read this thread about Mark Driscoll's appearance at The Crystal Cathedral. Of course, there are some doctrinal differences between Arminians and Calvinists, but none are serious enough for each group to consider the other one outside the body of Christ. Travis,

Thanks for your kind note of Aug. 29. I would’ve replied sooner, but for some weekend thunderstorms. Thanks for offering to answer my questions. I may take you up on your offer.

For about a year, I’ve been acquainted with one of The Well’s members, a young man who owns a bookstore on Broad Street in downtown Augusta.

http://www.thebooktavern.com
http://www.booktavern.com

He’s an interesting, likable person, and I’ve sensed a Christian brotherly fellowship whenever I’ve browsed or shopped at his store.

While I was there yesterday afternoon (Aug. 31), he described Acts 29 as a network of churches that subscribe to a creed of core beliefs but that are free to vary their styles of worship. He said, as you may know, that The Well is moving to a new storefront location—right next to Planned Parenthood! So they’ll have their work cut out for them and, I hope, be a good influence.

A coworker of mine attends a non-denominational Bible Chapel setting up shop about six blocks down from The Well. He regularly passes out tracts on First Friday (a well-attended monthly celebration downtown) and has mentioned running into a Well member who does the same thing. The area—which includes restaurants, bars, nightclubs, and even a few strip clubs—can use all the godly influence Christians are willing to provide.

Anyway, I’ve mentioned these things as a way of saying I’d not suspected any problems at The Well until I read this thread about Mark Driscoll’s appearance at The Crystal Cathedral. Of course, there are some doctrinal differences between Arminians and Calvinists, but none are serious enough for each group to consider the other one outside the body of Christ.

]]> By: Travis http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-no-3-new-idea/#comment-49930 Travis Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:01:46 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/?p=763#comment-49930 Frank, I currenty am a deacon at an Acts 29 church in Denver, a lot of the structure is the same, also I have a friend who I believe is a deacon at the well, in Augusta, let me know if I can answer any questions Frank,

I currenty am a deacon at an Acts 29 church in Denver, a lot of the structure is the same, also I have a friend who I believe is a deacon at the well, in Augusta, let me know if I can answer any questions

]]> By: Frank! http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-no-3-new-idea/#comment-49674 Frank! Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:51:20 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/?p=763#comment-49674 Stephen, Reformed Frank! here, thanks. And I listened to Pirate Christian Radio the other day, and Roseboroug gives it a thumbs up. Stephen,
Reformed Frank! here, thanks. And I listened to Pirate Christian Radio the other day, and Roseboroug gives it a thumbs up.

]]> By: Stephen Macasil http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-no-3-new-idea/#comment-49506 Stephen Macasil Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:08:35 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/?p=763#comment-49506 Ok, I watched the video of Driscoll's talk. I'll put some thoughts together and either post them here or as a new thread. Ok, I watched the video of Driscoll’s talk. I’ll put some thoughts together and either post them here or as a new thread.

]]> By: Frank http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-no-3-new-idea/#comment-49436 Frank Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:32:27 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/?p=763#comment-49436 Stephen, This is the Arminian Frank (not to be confused with Frank!). I'd very much be interested in your take on Mark Driscoll since one of his Acts 29 churches is making news in my part of the country. I asked about Driscoll earlier: http://biblicalthought.com/blog/john-calvin-on-birthdays-on-his-500th-birthday/#comment-27551 Stephen,

This is the Arminian Frank (not to be confused with Frank!). I’d very much be interested in your take on Mark Driscoll since one of his Acts 29 churches is making news in my part of the country. I asked about Driscoll earlier:

http://biblicalthought.com/blog/john-calvin-on-birthdays-on-his-500th-birthday/#comment-27551

]]> By: Stephen Macasil http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-no-3-new-idea/#comment-49398 Stephen Macasil Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:01:39 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/?p=763#comment-49398 Frank, The last time I listened to a Mark Driscoll talk was late 2006/early 2007 (ish). Perhaps I'll break the streak and find the one you're asking about and post some thoughts. I'll give you something in advance though, if it isn't an improvement from the hermeneutical massacre and historical revisionism which was plagued by logical fallacies left, right, in, and out that I listened to back then, my comments will probably be short to the tune of either thumbs up or down... Frank,

The last time I listened to a Mark Driscoll talk was late 2006/early 2007 (ish). Perhaps I’ll break the streak and find the one you’re asking about and post some thoughts. I’ll give you something in advance though, if it isn’t an improvement from the hermeneutical massacre and historical revisionism which was plagued by logical fallacies left, right, in, and out that I listened to back then, my comments will probably be short to the tune of either thumbs up or down…

]]> By: Frank! http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-no-3-new-idea/#comment-49360 Frank! Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:52:08 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/?p=763#comment-49360 I know this is an old post, but anyone have any thoughts on Driscoll's message at the Crystal Cathedral this week? I know this is an old post, but anyone have any thoughts on Driscoll’s message at the Crystal Cathedral this week?

]]> By: Dembie http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-no-3-new-idea/#comment-46269 Dembie Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:13:42 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/?p=763#comment-46269 I hold fast to the sure foundation that there are no contradictions in God's word. If there are any scriptures which teach Arminianism, (which is another way of saying salvation by the arm of man), either they have misunderstood the verse or they are contradictions to Calvinism, (that name being another way of saying salvation at the cross at Calvary). If there is a contradiction, the truth has not been found, yet. Arminianism/Calvinism: Oh, I know that is not the origin of the names but Romans 1:20 says the invisible things of God are understood by the physical things we can see (not by nature-for you can not see the Trinity by looking at a tree or the weather, etc.). He has always given us this ability to see the spiritual things by the physical things even the Godhead, (Trinity), by the account of creation in Genesis in which we can see the Trinity by the 3 fold makeup of man and woman. So the men's names were very providential giving a way to see the spiritual by the physical. Not every time the word "saved" is used does it mean eternal salvation. Saved means delivered. There are many warnings and teachings for Christians to learn how to be delivered while on earth, which Arminians blindly twist to be warnings to the unbelievers. I hold fast to the sure foundation that there are no contradictions in God’s word. If there are any scriptures which teach Arminianism, (which is another way of saying salvation by the arm of man), either they have misunderstood the verse or they are contradictions to Calvinism, (that name being another way of saying salvation at the cross at Calvary). If there is a contradiction, the truth has not been found, yet.
Arminianism/Calvinism: Oh, I know that is not the origin of the names but Romans 1:20 says the invisible things of God are understood by the physical things we can see (not by nature-for you can not see the Trinity by looking at a tree or the weather, etc.). He has always given us this ability to see the spiritual things by the physical things even the Godhead, (Trinity), by the account of creation in Genesis in which we can see the Trinity by the 3 fold makeup of man and woman. So the men’s names were very providential giving a way to see the spiritual by the physical.
Not every time the word “saved” is used does it mean eternal salvation. Saved means delivered. There are many warnings and teachings for Christians to learn how to be delivered while on earth, which Arminians blindly twist to be warnings to the unbelievers.

]]> By: Patrick Taylor http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-no-3-new-idea/#comment-23663 Patrick Taylor Sat, 23 May 2009 19:18:24 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/?p=763#comment-23663 Stephen, Buddy glad to have heard from you and I must say the speed limit analogy is interresting though one must remember it has changed and the fast lane in the flow of traffic. Though it is interesting it dose not fly in that all of these men are consistant with Scripture as regards to SS, but it is that they do not limte there reading of Scripture as some in the Calvibists do they try not to proof text or isolate texts and approach them from a theological bias first rather then within its original context that being historical, rhetorical, social, theological, grammatical, literal and so on (Ben Witherington III, The Problem With Evangelical Theology, p.4). I do see your point though Stephen for if one sees a certain truth in the particulars in Calvinism in the texts and appraoches it with a strict TULIP then all Scriprtues leads to Calvinism as one reads Scripture through them. The problem is that if one or more of the links in this chain breaks then the system is damaged. An example is the exegeting of Romans by Calvinistic scholars and many others who fail to read it cumulatively rather than sound-byting it and it shows for example in isolation Romans 7 from the obvious connection to Romans 5 (Ibid., 7.). Any way Stephen let me be clear about Scriptures place it is first formost and always the truth, governing standard and perfect revealtion of God from God for me. The idea of the "end" statemant is that of the analogy of the Bereans in Acts 17, as they searched the Scriptures to investigate Paul's preaching and taching we read and study Scriptures and go where to verify comprehend (though the Spirit illuminates us in out reading of the Bible) the revelation. I agreee with Wesley Scripture, reason, tradition, culture, church, and so on to comprehend it thus Scripture is primary but where do I go to verify the reality of Pilot to Acheology that dug his actual proof of existance up and that is my point. God dose not comdemm us for seeking to understand for He encourages us to investigate His truth and revelations. The idea is this if no learning was needed outside the Bible to understand the John Calvin could have been an illiterate farmer in a small village and still be able to have written his commentaries and his Institutes, but you and I know that is not reality. Thus my point. Talk to you later Stephen Blessing and have a wonderful Memorial Day and from this veteran to you please say a prayer for out troops. Patrick Stephen,
Buddy glad to have heard from you and I must say the speed limit analogy is interresting though one must remember it has changed and the fast lane in the flow of traffic. Though it is interesting it dose not fly in that all of these men are consistant with Scripture as regards to SS, but it is that they do not limte there reading of Scripture as some in the Calvibists do they try not to proof text or isolate texts and approach them from a theological bias first rather then within its original context that being historical, rhetorical, social, theological, grammatical, literal and so on (Ben Witherington III, The Problem With Evangelical Theology, p.4). I do see your point though Stephen for if one sees a certain truth in the particulars in Calvinism in the texts and appraoches it with a strict TULIP then all Scriprtues leads to Calvinism as one reads Scripture through them. The problem is that if one or more of the links in this chain breaks then the system is damaged. An example is the exegeting of Romans by Calvinistic scholars and many others who fail to read it cumulatively rather than sound-byting it and it shows for example in isolation Romans 7 from the obvious connection to Romans 5 (Ibid., 7.).
Any way Stephen let me be clear about Scriptures place it is first formost and always the truth, governing standard and perfect revealtion of God from God for me. The idea of the “end” statemant is that of the analogy of the Bereans in Acts 17, as they searched the Scriptures to investigate Paul’s preaching and taching we read and study Scriptures and go where to verify comprehend (though the Spirit illuminates us in out reading of the Bible) the revelation. I agreee with Wesley Scripture, reason, tradition, culture, church, and so on to comprehend it thus Scripture is primary but where do I go to verify the reality of Pilot to Acheology that dug his actual proof of existance up and that is my point. God dose not comdemm us for seeking to understand for He encourages us to investigate His truth and revelations. The idea is this if no learning was needed outside the Bible to understand the John Calvin could have been an illiterate farmer in a small village and still be able to have written his commentaries and his Institutes, but you and I know that is not reality. Thus my point. Talk to you later Stephen Blessing and have a wonderful Memorial Day and from this veteran to you please say a prayer for out troops.
Patrick

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