Comments on: The Calm Before the Storm http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/ Biblical Christianity Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:33:53 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Tom http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-7327 Tom Sun, 29 Jun 2008 05:50:13 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/#comment-7327 I have listened to 100's of sermons of Dr. Morey and read 7 of his books. I think the man is a gift to the church for sure, and i will continue to siphon from his brain, but i tend to agree that sometimes he goes a little too far with the argumentum ad ridiculum and boasting in knowledge and i also see that this does rub off on people who love him, including me. I'm not blaming anyone for that, i'm just saying that we should learn to accept the legit critiques of us and try to talk to one another a little more respectfully. Now obviously i know when a person comes in here and thinks they know dirt on Morey, and yada yada, they need to be put in their place, but that can be done by laying the logical screws down, and leaving the "you're on your way to hell" stuff out. The dude may just be beset with anger, or a confused Christian. Tell him to repent maybe. Anyway, i think you understand my point. I have listened to 100’s of sermons of Dr. Morey and read 7 of his books. I think the man is a gift to the church for sure, and i will continue to siphon from his brain, but i tend to agree that sometimes he goes a little too far with the argumentum ad ridiculum and boasting in knowledge and i also see that this does rub off on people who love him, including me. I’m not blaming anyone for that, i’m just saying that we should learn to accept the legit critiques of us and try to talk to one another a little more respectfully. Now obviously i know when a person comes in here and thinks they know dirt on Morey, and yada yada, they need to be put in their place, but that can be done by laying the logical screws down, and leaving the “you’re on your way to hell” stuff out. The dude may just be beset with anger, or a confused Christian. Tell him to repent maybe. Anyway, i think you understand my point.

]]> By: Maurice http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-974 Maurice Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:37:33 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/#comment-974 I just clicked on the link to the Friends of Jacob P. website and searched "morey". Looking at Jacob's clarification that he does not believe in soul sleep, he seems to be describing a sleeping soul quite well. As I understand him, when you look at a dead person, they are sleeping, (waiting for the rapture, I suppose). But as the dead person is out of time, literally and physically, from the dead person's viewpoint there is no time. I guess if you bend and twist two viewpoints enough you can have your cake and eat it two. I just clicked on the link to the Friends of Jacob P. website and searched “morey”. Looking at Jacob’s clarification that he does not believe in soul sleep, he seems to be describing a sleeping soul quite well. As I understand him, when you look at a dead person, they are sleeping, (waiting for the rapture, I suppose). But as the dead person is out of time, literally and physically, from the dead person’s viewpoint there is no time. I guess if you bend and twist two viewpoints enough you can have your cake and eat it two.

]]> By: Timmay http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-689 Timmay Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:33:38 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/#comment-689 W.O.W the mini argument against you and Willard , well lets put it all together= some people are so jealous of Dr.Morey that they fire-back such ridiculous arguments. Such pity I tell you! Keep up the Great work Stephen. Knock those heathens down! :-) W.O.W the mini argument against you and Willard , well lets put it all together= some people are so jealous of Dr.Morey that they fire-back such ridiculous arguments. Such pity I tell you! Keep up the Great work Stephen. Knock those heathens down! :-)

]]> By: darrin http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-568 darrin Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:03:03 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/#comment-568 Sorry, Jacob, I mean Willy. I read something on your website too quickly that led me to believe you trampled the work of Christ under foot and returned to Judaism. That was too rash on my part and I am sorry Jacob, I mean Willy. But this is definately and without a doubt a case of sour grapes and possibly mental illness, but not apostacy. Just had to clear that up. Sorry all and Jacob, I mean Willy Vance. Sorry, Jacob, I mean Willy. I read something on your website too quickly that led me to believe you trampled the work of Christ under foot and returned to Judaism. That was too rash on my part and I am sorry Jacob, I mean Willy.

But this is definately and without a doubt a case of sour grapes and possibly mental illness, but not apostacy.

Just had to clear that up. Sorry all and Jacob, I mean Willy Vance.

]]> By: darrin http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-567 darrin Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:36:15 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/#comment-567 This may be a coincidence but i found a similar article on a site that belongs to an apostate of the faith of Christ and a former attendee of Faith Community Church. http://www.moriel.org/articles/notice_board/morey_degree_disowned.htm Looks like either sour grapes or mental illness, but definately not a sincere disagreement in morals or doctrine. Or maybe Willy is just the twin brother (alter ego) of the other person. This may be a coincidence but i found a similar article on a site that belongs to an apostate of the faith of Christ and a former attendee of Faith Community Church.

http://www.moriel.org/articles/notice_board/morey_degree_disowned.htm

Looks like either sour grapes or mental illness, but definately not a sincere disagreement in morals or doctrine.

Or maybe Willy is just the twin brother (alter ego) of the other person.

]]> By: Mario Herrera http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-564 Mario Herrera Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:51:20 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/#comment-564 Great post Stephen! I think these people suffer from some sort of inferiority complex! The gift God has given the good Doc is profound for bringing lofty, solid, theological doctrine to a level where Christians can grasp it and be impacted to the glory of God! It is clear that there is some sort of breakdown mentally with Willy. Ultimately, though he attacks Dr. Morey, his issue really is with the Word of God. May the Lord take his apprehension and grant him true humility and repentance! Great post Stephen! I think these people suffer from some sort of inferiority complex! The gift God has given the good Doc is profound for bringing lofty, solid, theological doctrine to a level where Christians can grasp it and be impacted to the glory of God! It is clear that there is some sort of breakdown mentally with Willy. Ultimately, though he attacks Dr. Morey, his issue really is with the Word of God. May the Lord take his apprehension and grant him true humility and repentance!

]]> By: darrin http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-560 darrin Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:29:14 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/#comment-560 I checked out one of Willy's links and found the following headline: "Eco-friendly kangaroo farts could help global warming: scientists." Not sure where to apply the irony on this one. Too many options. I checked out one of Willy’s links and found the following headline:

“Eco-friendly kangaroo farts could help global warming: scientists.”

Not sure where to apply the irony on this one. Too many options.

]]> By: Dr. Morey http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-551 Dr. Morey Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:41:43 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/#comment-551 A man is judged by his works and by his consistent ministry. The fact remains that I earned a doctorate from WTS. This is sufficient for academia. Many well-known and respected professors at WTS and elsewhere have only an honorary degree. My degree was earned. The Board of Faith Theological Seminary in Pakistan honored me with an honory D.D. in a wonderful ceremony with Dr. Carl MacIntyre in attendance at his church in Collingswood, NJ. The people who gave me the degree never withdrew it and stand by it 100%, as does the President of the NJ Faith Theological Seminary. After several calls to Pakistani Christians, we found out that a group of men entered the Pakistani Seminary and forced out the Board and faculty at gun point and took over the school illegally. Those that stole the school did so with the permission of the Muslim government with only one goal in mind, to discredit me! I am honored by the lengths to which Muslims have gone to try to discredit my D.D. But since the men and women who gave me the degree still stand behind it, who cares what a gang of thieves have to say? They first claimed that the school never gave me a D.D. in a ceremony. But when I put up pictures of the ceremony on the internet, they changed their tactic and said that the ceremony did take place but the people who gave me the degree were not officials of the school. When we pointed out the pictures of the official Board members who put the degree in my hand, the thieves then said that the ceremony was not valid. When we pointed out that there were other men along with me who were honored with a D.D. and that they had not denied their degrees, they changed their tactic again. At each point, their lies were exposed. As to LBU, it is accredited by various religious agencies. They have not sought government accreditation out of opposition to government control over what is taught. I submitted my thesis. It was judged as worthy of a Ph.D. The thesis sitting in their library states on the front copy that it was given for my studies in Islam. LBU is a fine school that has many well-known and respected alumni. What can be learned from these attacks on me? First, I am honored that the enemies of God cannot ignore me or my work. If they ignorned me, that would be a big insult. Second, they never attempt to refute my arguments per se or agree to debate me in public. They just attack me personally using the logical fallacy that if they can throw enough garbage on me, people will not listen to my arguments. I could have no degrees from any school and still be 100% true on what I say about Islam! I fully expect when my refutaion of Natural theology comes out, that a massive smear campaign will be done against me personally. Why? They cannot refute my arguments! I will be honored as they do to me what they did to Jesus and the apostles. If the world hated him and called him all manner of names, then why should I expect better treatment? A man is judged by his works and by his consistent ministry. The fact remains that I earned a doctorate from WTS. This is sufficient for academia. Many well-known and respected professors at WTS and elsewhere have only an honorary degree. My degree was earned.

The Board of Faith Theological Seminary in Pakistan honored me with an honory D.D. in a wonderful ceremony with Dr. Carl MacIntyre in attendance at his church in Collingswood, NJ. The people who gave me the degree never withdrew it and stand by it 100%, as does the President of the NJ Faith Theological Seminary.

After several calls to Pakistani Christians, we found out that a group of men entered the Pakistani Seminary and forced out the Board and faculty at gun point and took over the school illegally. Those that stole the school did so with the permission of the Muslim government with only one goal in mind, to discredit me!

I am honored by the lengths to which Muslims have gone to try to discredit my D.D. But since the men and women who gave me the degree still stand behind it, who cares what a gang of thieves have to say?

They first claimed that the school never gave me a D.D. in a ceremony. But when I put up pictures of the ceremony on the internet, they changed their tactic and said that the ceremony did take place but the people who gave me the degree were not officials of the school.

When we pointed out the pictures of the official Board members who put the degree in my hand, the thieves then said that the ceremony was not valid.

When we pointed out that there were other men along with me who were honored with a D.D. and that they had not denied their degrees, they changed their tactic again. At each point, their lies were exposed.

As to LBU, it is accredited by various religious agencies. They have not sought government accreditation out of opposition to government control over what is taught. I submitted my thesis. It was judged as worthy of a Ph.D. The thesis sitting in their library states on the front copy that it was given for my studies in Islam. LBU is a fine school that has many well-known and respected alumni.

What can be learned from these attacks on me?

First, I am honored that the enemies of God cannot ignore me or my work. If they ignorned me, that would be a big insult. Second, they never attempt to refute my arguments per se or agree to debate me in public. They just attack me personally using the logical fallacy that if they can throw enough garbage on me, people will not listen to my arguments. I could have no degrees from any school and still be 100% true on what I say about Islam!

I fully expect when my refutaion of Natural theology comes out, that a massive smear campaign will be done against me personally. Why? They cannot refute my arguments! I will be honored as they do to me what they did to Jesus and the apostles. If the world hated him and called him all manner of names, then why should I expect better treatment?

]]> By: Stephen Macasil http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-549 Stephen Macasil Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:50:06 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/#comment-549 Keep the webcast in prayer, we're close, real close. Keep the webcast in prayer, we’re close, real close.

]]> By: Josh in AK http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-547 Josh in AK Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:36:51 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/the-calm-before-the-storm/#comment-547 Darrin, Keep the boots on man, they are so much more effective with a swift kick. :) Drew, bring the brutal on! Webcast, I'm drooling over this! Website, well, I have one, but does anyone here have any freight that needs to be hauled to the North Slope? Darrin,

Keep the boots on man, they are so much more effective with a swift kick. :)
Drew, bring the brutal on!

Webcast, I’m drooling over this!

Website, well, I have one, but does anyone here have any freight that needs to be hauled to the North Slope?

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