And I often wonder why Rick allows Richard to run his mouth it has done nothing but hurt Warrens deception. My view has pretty much been let Abanes keep talking he keeps digging himself a bigger hole. Sad that this could happen to anyone.
The whole Abanes/Warren camp is nothing but double speak.
Warren will say that the church should not be a business and then in another article states the church should be entrepreneurs.
Rick states he gives away 90 percent of his income while paying himself and Kay back a heafty salary from his own Acts of Mercy foundation.
Funny thing is last week when I was writing a series of articles on Abanes I felt nothing but love for the guy.
Really. I know that may not come out in my articles.
And Im telling you that had to be the Lord.
The best thing we can do besides pointing out the error that Abanes spread’s like wild fire is to truely pray for the guy so the Holy Spirit will lift the scales off this guys eyes.
The influence and fruit of purpose driven and Saddleback is apparent and manifested itself in Richard Abanes.
Abanes has a vested interest in Rick Warren and Saddleback if he see’s the truth he stands to lose everything.
To me that is a really scary fact.
Peace
Tim Wirth

Just a note to say “well done.” When I first started my blog as a sounding post, to warn against the apostasy spreading across the land, I was quite ignorant of the other efforts being created for the same purpose. Of course I am now well aware of the many who are laboring against this scourge, trying to hold it in check, and am glad to come across this site. I will be adding it to my feed to help promote what you are doing here.

RW’s mulligan speech would have us believe that our Father has an unlimited number of “mulligans” to deliver to the unsaved. The Bible does not teach this. On the contrary, God has revealed that His mercy will NOT continue on endlessly, as pictured in Jesus’ parable of the barren fig tree (Lk. 13:6-9) , as RW presumes. The endless mulligans could be better understood as Abanes repeated attempts, on every blog across the net, to give new life to Warren’s botched theology. Richard Abanes is Rick Warrens mulligan man.

Good work and Peace,

Steve Blackwell

“RW skips to the application of salvation to the elect as indicated by the quoting of Colossians 2:13-14. We can’t talk about the application of salvation without first having the accomplishment of salvation. Additionally, RW’s statements about being loved and accepted by God just the way we are skips directly to reconciliation. However, reconciliation is based upon first having propitiation. Therefore, Abanes’ justification for RW using the mulligan analogy fails even though RW quoted Colossians 2:13-14.”

If you refuse to show how you arrive at telling us that RW is correct in presenting a gospel that requires no repentance, then you are on a fool’s errand. Although you are free to leave comments, Biblical Thought Dot Com will not likely respond to your comments or give them the time of day.

Repentance and belief go hand in hand. When someone is regenerated and turns toward God in belief, they must also turn away from their sin in repentance.

Prior responses to you have also included answering a fool according to his folly, as was the final answer given to Abanes that sent him away to make shallow and unbiblical defenses of the Purpose Driven madness. If you think that the last comment directed at Abanes was name calling, then you have missed the point.

Listen! Do not continue to pull away from the biblical gospel and the faithful preaching of that Biblical gospel. Although, I wonder if you have ever understood the gospel in the first place. RW has preached a false gospel for a long time and just last week showed more of his true colors when he proclaimed the following at the National Cathedral: “The future is not about secularism, but the future is about religious pluralism”.

In any case, I’ve located the person who has authority at Saddleback to book Dr. Morey as a speaker. You may want to familiarize yourself with the different ministries or classes at Saddleback so Dr. Morey will glean the greatest satisfaction (i.e. Celebrate Recovery or other groups). Messages are taught in a series, mostly by teaching pastors, but various groups to ask in guests by invitation.

David Chrzan, Chief of Staff, is in charge of inviting speakers on behalf of Rick Warren. rrc2@saddleback.net

Feel free to trade invitations for a nice dinner or lunch first. I implore you, bretheren, to try to be nice to each other. An God bless you efforts toward resolving your differences.

Remember, you’re supposed to be Ambassadors of God.

2 COR 5:18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

I have compiled Mormon assertions that were acquired from books that were obtained at the afore-said Minister’s church.
E.g., Richard Baer’s Letter to Family & Friends, which is available from a Mormon apologetics-site.

Navigators, YWAM, the Billy Graham Center, etc.?

Posted by “Chuck O’Neal, Pastor BGBC” @ Shepherd’s Fellowship
= J.F. MacArthur, et al.
http://www.shepherdsfellowship.org/Comments.aspx?Post=3671

“A few months ago the Yale Center for Faith and Culture wrote a letter to the

Islamic world on behalf of all Christendom asking forgiveness from the ‘All Merciful

One’ (an alternate name for Allah found in the Koran).

They went on to establish that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all genuinely love

and serve one and the same god of love.
Muhammad is referenced and quoted as a true prophet of God, and his life is

upheld as an exemplary life of love, faith, and righteous service unto God, on par

with Jesus Christ.”
[~= Shahada, the primary declarations of Muslims. --T.R.]

“The letter draws theological truths regarding God’s character and central

commands from the Koran.”

Some of those who endorsed the Yale letter:

“-Rick Warren, Founder and Senior Pastor, Saddleback Church
-Doug Pennoyer, Dean, School of Intercultural Studies, Biola University
-Michael W. Treneer, International President, The Navigators, Colorado Springs, CO
-Lynn Green, International Chairman, Youth With A Mission
-Rev. Roy Oksnevad, Director Muslim Ministry, Billy Graham Center at Wheaton, IL
-Rev. Dr. John Stott, Rector Emeritus, All Souls Church, Langham Place, London, UK
The unabridged letter can be found at:
http://www.yale.edu/faith/abou-commonword.htm “