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Remember Those Televangelists That Were Audited by Senator Grassley?

Stephen Macasil

(HT: H8n S8n & RIPPEDOFF [TBO Forums])

For Immediate Release

July 7th, 2008

GRASSLEY UPDATE ON MINISTRY RESPONSES, BACKGROUND QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS DOCUMENT

M E M O R A N D U M

To: Reporters and Editors

Re: Ministry responses

Da: Monday, July 7, 2008

On Nov. 5, 2007, Sen. Chuck Grassley, ranking member of the Committee on Finance, wrote to six media-based ministries, seeking information about various issues related to tax-exempt policy. The Committee on Finance has exclusive Senate jurisdiction over tax policy. On March 11, Grassley and Sen. Max Baucus, committee chairman, wrote follow-up letters to four ministries that had not provided information in response to Grassley’s Nov. 5 letter. Grassley’s staff has conducted numerous meetings and conference calls with representatives of the ministries and with various religious groups and leaders to answer questions and concerns about issues such as confidentiality of sensitive information and to discuss the purpose of Grassley’s policy review. Here is an accounting of the responses so far:

Joyce Meyer Ministries provided extensive answers to all questions. Staff continues to review the materials submitted but generally is finding the responses to be in good faith and substantively informative.

Benny Hinn of World Healing Center Church provided extensive answers to all questions in a series of submissions. Staff continues to review the materials submitted but is finding the responses to be in good faith and substantively informative.

Randy and Paula White of Without Walls International Church provided only responses to the “general” and “real and personal assets” questions. Staff deems their submissions to be incomplete as a result and is engaged in dialogue with attorneys for the ministry to secure responses to the remaining questions.

Eddie Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church/Eddie L. Long Ministries submitted a response that contained only general information about the organization’s operations as well as copies of articles of incorporation and bylaws (which the committee did not request) for the organization’s affiliates and subsidiaries. Staff deems this submission to be not responsive as a result and is engaged in dialogue with attorneys for the ministry to secure responses to the remaining questions.

Kenneth and Gloria Copeland of Kenneth Copeland Ministries submitted partial responses to the majority of questions but did not provide a response to any of the compensation questions. Staff deems this submission to be not responsive and is hoping to engage the attorneys for the ministry in a dialogue to secure responses to all of the questions. However, since Kenneth Copeland has declared publicly that he will not submit responses even if a subpoena is issued, staff also is consulting with Senate attorneys about next steps.

Creflo and Taffi Dollar of World Changers Church International/Creflo Dollar Ministries have declined to provide any of the requested information. Staff has engaged the church’s attorneys in a number of conversations but the attorneys have indicated that the church’s decision not to respond remains the same. Staff has reached out to church officials directly to confirm the church’s decision.

Here’s a Sen. Grassley comment on the status:

“Joyce Meyer and Benny Hinn have engaged in open and honest dialogue with committee staff. They have not only provided responses to every question but, in the spirit of true cooperation, also have provided information over and above what was requested.

“Both Joyce Meyer and Benny Hinn have indicated that they are also instituting reforms without waiting for the committee to complete its review. Self-reform can be faster and more effective than government regulation and is the hallmark of my oversight of The Nature Conservancy, the Smithsonian Institution, American University and the American Red Cross. These organizations are all going strong and are arguably better off than they were before. I support voluntary, independent accreditation programs like those sponsored by the Land Trust Alliance and the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability and encourage these ministries to pursue similar accreditation. The most successful non-profit organizations recognize the need for transparency about their operations and accountability to their donors and the taxpaying public. They appreciate that Congress has a responsibility to review the effectiveness and fairness of tax laws for taxpayers and tax-exempt groups alike.

“The ministries that continue not to cooperate appear to be heeding the advice of attorneys who are not familiar with congressional oversight in general and specifically the Finance Committee’s oversight and legislative work in the area of tax-exempt organizations over the last seven years. These attorneys who aren’t part of the ministries themselves have a natural incentive to prolong the process as long as possible.”

Following is a background questions-and-answers document regarding the ministries inquiry.

Background Questions and Answers

July 7, 2008

Q: How does the tax code define a church?

A: While the term “church” is found in the Internal Revenue Code, the term is not specifically defined. It includes anything from religions with traditional brick-and-mortar buildings, such as churches, mosques and temples, to religions that are media or home-based. For practical purposes, the term “church” is used in its broadest sense to encompass all forms of worship just as “minister” is used to refer to pastors, priests, rabbis, imams, and other spiritual leaders.

IRS publication 1828, Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations, contains additional information about the benefits and responsibilities of churches under the Internal Revenue Code. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf

Q: What tax rules apply to churches?

A: Just like all other organizations described in section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, churches are generally exempt from income tax, able to raise funds through tax-exempt bonds, and eligible to receive tax-deductible contributions.

Unlike other 501(c)(3) organizations, however, churches are not required to file a Form 1023, Application for Recognition of Exemption under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, and they do not have to file a Form 990, Return of Organization Exempt from Income Tax.

The following tax code rules apply to all 501(c)(3) organizations, including churches:

–a complete prohibition on inurement of net earnings to insiders;

–a complete prohibition on political activity;

–a tax on lobbying activity that is a substantial part of its activities;

–a tax on income earned from activities unrelated to its exempt purpose;

–employment taxes; and,

–charitable contribution deduction and substantiation rules.

An organization’s tax-exempt status can be revoked if it is found to violate the inurement or political activity prohibitions or if its lobbying or unrelated business activities are substantial.

Q: What tax rules apply to ministers?

A: Just like all individuals, ministers must pay individual income taxes and Social Security and Medicare taxes.

Ministers, like insiders of all other 501(c)(3) organizations, are subject to taxes on any “excess benefits” arising from transactions with the organization or a tax if they approve such transactions

Q: Why is Senator Grassley investigating churches?

A: Senator Grassley’s investigation of the ministries is consistent with his prior investigations because a church is subject to the same tax rules as all other charitable organizations. The differences are in how church tax compliance is documented. A church does not have to file a Form 1023 to notify the IRS when it starts up. A church also does not have to file a Form 990 every year. These differences make it harder for the IRS to enforce the rules with churches, even though all of the same compliance and enforcement concerns applicable to other charitable organizations are applicable to churches.

As chairman, and now ranking member, of the Senate Committee on Finance, Senator Grassley has conducted numerous investigations of tax-exempt organizations. Since 2001, he has reviewed the American Red Cross, the Nature Conservancy, The Smithsonian Institution, the United Way, American University, foundation management, the use of supporting organizations, donor-advised funds, non-profit hospitals, and tax-preferred university endowments.

These investigations have examined the misuse of assets owned by the tax-exempt organization, abusive spending of an organization’s funds by its leaders, and abuse of the tax break provided to those contributing to tax-exempt organizations. Here is a summary: www.senate.gov/~finance/press/Gpress/2007/prg112007a.pdf.

The scrutiny also has resulted in self-corrective measures by the non-profit sector. For example, the Land Trust Alliance significantly revised its Land Trust Standards and Practices and launched a voluntary accreditation program for conservation organizations. The Catholic Health Association is promoting new guidelines and accountability measures for charity care at its member non-profit hospitals. The Panel on the Nonprofit Sector, under the leadership of The Independent Sector, issued Principles for Good Governance and Ethical Practice: A Guide for Charities and Foundations.

Q: What are some the compliance and enforcement issues involving churches?

A: Abuse of Church Status: A church is not required to notify the IRS when it forms. As a result, anybody can claim to be church just to exempt from IRS scrutiny. Because this also enables them to claim audit protections under the Church Audit Procedures Act, it is harder for the IRS to review them. The use of state Corporation Sole statutes to evade taxes is one example of such abuse. More information is available about this abuse on the IRS website http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=136337,00.html. Another example is an individual who organizes a church from his or her home and then solicits contributions over the phone or internet.

Inurement & Private benefit: Some churches, especially those not affiliated with a larger organization, do not have independent trustees or board members. Poor governance practices can lead to lax tax compliance especially in the areas of compensation and related party transactions, both of which have significant inurement and private benefit implications.

Related Entities & Corporate Income Taxes: A church is not required to file a Form 990, so the IRS is at a disadvantage in determining whether churches are properly reporting taxable income from related entities or from activities unrelated to their exempt purpose.

Employment Taxes & Parsonage/Housing allowances: A church is not required to withhold employment taxes on compensation paid to ministers even though the ministers are required to pay taxes on their compensation. Ministers also are permitted to exclude from their own taxable income the fair rental value of any parsonage provided to them or any amounts provided for a housing allowance provided certain conditions are met. Because “church” and “minister” are not defined, it is easy to claim that all employees are ministers so that they can be exempt from withholding by the church and also eligible to take advantage of the parsonage or housing allowances.

Q: Why isn’t the IRS conducting this investigation?

A: The IRS is responsible for administering the laws that are already on the books and making sure that organizations, including churches, are complying with the laws that apply to them. The IRS is responsible for enforcement of the tax laws. It has the power to assess and collect taxes and, in the case of tax-exempt organizations, revoke their tax-exempt status. The IRS must work with the tools it is given, while Congress can refine the tools with which the IRS works.

A separate branch of government under the U.S. Constitution, the Congress, and in particular the Senate Finance Committee, is responsible for oversight of the IRS and for considering whether existing tax laws are adequate. The Committee does not have the authority to assess taxes or revoke exemption. A congressional investigation to review tax policy and consider tax legislation is different from an IRS examination to determine tax compliance.

Q: Why shouldn’t the Church Audit Procedures Act (CAPA) apply to the Finance Committee investigation?

A: As the previous chairman of the Senate Finance Committee’s Subcommittee on Oversight of the Internal Revenue Service, Senator Grassley chaired the hearing on this bill on September 30, 1983. His support for this Act remains as strong today as it was at that time.

CAPA was enacted in response to concerns about the IRS auditing churches and that these churches were committing significant time and resources to these audits. CAPA was designed specifically to ensure that the IRS thought long and hard before auditing churches and to ensure that examination of religious doctrine was not the basis for an audit.

CAPA was not intended to be a shield for churches to put up in the face of legitimate IRS inquiries related to church tax liability, and this is supported by the testimony of Rep. Mickey Edwards and officials from the Treasury Department and the Internal Revenue Service during the hearing. Congressman Edwards, the sponsor of the original House bill, stated: “We don’t mean in this legislation to try to protect delinquent churches from penalties that ought to be assessed.”

CAPA does not govern investigations conducted by congressional committees, nor should it. Given the Committee on Finance’s role in oversight, it is uniquely positioned to study the compliance and enforcement issues facing the IRS without actually initiating an enforcement action.

Senator Grassley’s current investigation is not focused on what the churches are doing that is in violation of existing law - the committee is not conducting an audit of the organization. The committee is focused on the adequacy of the federal tax laws that govern the tax-exempt sector, including churches.

Q: How were the six churches who received letters selected?

A: Senator Grassley has conducted his investigations of tax-exempt organizations since 2001 based on information that he has received from constituents, whistleblowers, other insiders, and news reports. The same is true in this case. The information of concern that he received about these six churches led to these ministries receiving the November 2007 and March 2008 letters of inquiry.

Q: Will Senator Grassley write to any other churches?

A: That is possible, but it has not been determined. As in other investigations and reviews involving oversight of the tax laws, additional questions may be asked of additional churches or organizations based on review and study of the information that has been gathered and other information that might be provided.

Q: Doesn’t the investigation raise constitutional issues because the six ministries preach the same doctrine?

A: Senator Grassley is a strong supporter of First Amendment protections for religious liberty. He was one of the champions of the Church Audit Procedures Act in 1983, which places a tremendous burden on the IRS to ensure that any audit is warranted. Separately, the U.S. courts have upheld the application of the tax code to churches in numerous instances.

Not all of the six ministries are “Pentecostal” or preach the “prosperity gospel.” When Senator Grassley first wrote to the six churches under review today, he was not aware of these terms and, most importantly, was not aware that some of them label themselves this way. The doctrine of the churches was not part of his inquiry in any way. He asked them for information based on concerns about application of the tax laws and is reviewing the responses for consideration of tax policy.

Some have construed certain of the senator’s comments as targeting the doctrine of the prosperity gospel. However, these comments are similar to comments he made in questioning the spending practices of leaders of other tax-exempt organizations:

“I am worried about what appears to be an “anything goes” culture by the Smithsonian Secretary and his staff that allow his champagne lifestyle to be subsidized by the taxpayer… I am shocked at what the Smithsonian is spending its money on when it comes to food, flowers, alcohol and other items … I cannot explain to my constituents why they need to pay more taxes so that, to take one example, the Secretary and his direct reports can enjoy in September 2002 a dinner for $1,368, eating off china and linen rented for the occasion for $775.20 while enjoying a $300 flower arrangement and alcohol of $186.04 (Letter to Chief Justice John Roberts regarding spending at the Smithsonian Institution, February 21, 2007, as reported in The Washington Post, February 25, 2007 “Smithsonian Head’s Expenses Lavish, Audit Says)

“The report shows expenses that would make for a good episode of ‘Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous’ - a lifestyle paid for by AU students and their parents.” (Letter to Chair and Vice-Chair of the Board of Directors of American University, May 17, 2006, as reported in The Washington Post, May 18, 2006 “Senator Questions School’s Governance”)

“Charities shouldn’t be funding their executives’ gold-plated lifestyles.” (”Senator Rebukes Getty”, The Los Angeles Times, June 23, 2005.)

Q: What are some of the issues the investigation has uncovered so far?

A: Related Entities: Preliminary research conducted by staff indicates that there are almost 100 entities related to the six churches as well as the ministers. It is unclear whether these entities are for-profit or nonprofit, whether they conduct activities directly with the churches, and if so, whether they are conducted on terms favorable to the church. For example, the tax laws do not allow for-profit entities to enrich themselves by overcharging non-profits that are controlled by the same people. It is also unclear as to whether any of these entities might also be claiming church status.

Inurement & Private Benefit: Aside from transactions with related entities, there are concerns about whether the churches are complying with the requirements of section 4958 of the Internal Revenue Code when determining compensation of the ministers as well entering into transactions with the related entities. Concerns are heightened by the fact that the churches share financial and legal advisors and by the fact that, in at least one case, a lawyer that raised section 4958 concerns may have been fired for raising these concerns.

Parsonage/Housing Allowances: There is concern that churches may be awarding minister status to employees for the sole purpose of making them eligible for tax-free housing benefits. Some ministers may also be claiming parsonage allowances for multiple personal residences across the country, as well as overseas.

Whistleblower Intimidation: Some of the churches have required employees to sign confidentiality agreements prohibiting employees from speaking about a church’s activities. Some former employees have received phone calls reminding them of their confidentiality agreements and threatening lawsuits if the agreements are breached.

Overseas Activities: Some of the churches conduct activities overseas, including the collection of significant cash contributions which may not be tracked or recorded for tax purposes.

Q: Will the responses be considered confidential?

A: Senator Grassley and Senator Baucus have served as chairmen and ranking member alternately since 2001, and they have a proven record of conducting investigations in as open and public manner as possible, while also protecting the privacy rights of taxpayers and respecting sensitive information. Letters to organizations are made available to the public and the press. Responses to the letters, however, will not be made available until after staff has completed its review and analysis.

However, documents provided pursuant to a congressional investigation are generally a matter of public record. They can be released in the course of committee action such as a hearing or report. With respect to the committee’s investigations of tax-exempt organizations, such as The Nature Conservancy and the American Red Cross, the committee has provided organizations the opportunity to review in advance the documents to be made public, including what information would be redacted.

Senator Grassley’s staff have explained these practices to the ministries that have chosen to speak directly with his staff and, in turn, secured complete cooperation from those ministries. The churches not yet cooperating also have retained Washington, D.C., lawyers who stand to gain from dragging out response time to requests for information.

[END OF PRESS RELEASE]

22 Comments, Comment or Ping

  1. Reformed Mama

    “The powerful top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee … sent detailed letters to six mega-ministries that are exempt from paying federal taxes, asking about their fundraising and use of donations.

    For example, Grassley wants to know for what tax-exempt purpose Joyce Meyer Ministries, based in Fenton, Mo., bought a $30,000 malachite round table, and spent $11,219 on a French clock and $19,162 on Dresden vases.”

    Hmmm…

  2. What about Benny Hinn’s $10M parsonage that overlooks the Pacific ocean or Kenneth and Gloria Copeland’s private multimillion dollar jet?

    Makes you think that the money could go to missionaries to spread the Word of God…

  3. Will

    This one gets my blood boiling, which I don’t need in this weather. We are a supposedly free people; most of us are grown-up; we have the First Amendment, which gives us the free exercise of religion. It is not the governments BUSINESS TO REGULATE THE ACTIVITIES-MONETARY OR OTHERWISE-OF RELIGIOUS LEADERS! As with any other activity in the Free-Market, it’s up to the buyer (or believer) to beware of what he’s getting into. If the Copelands spend millions on a jet, so what? If I had to do a lot of flying, and I could afford it, why would I want to fly commercial? In the end, God is not mocked; the Lords work will be done on Earth, to His Glory. Charlatans will profit and proliferate, and drink Dom Perignon in their mansions overlooking the ocean. Let them. And give them your money- OR NOT!

  4. OverCommiTad2theWord

    Yes, I agree that congress is over-stepping its bounds, what a surprise - I’m shocked! They are completely out of control! But Will what of the Biblical command to be above reproach? If there weren’t so many foolish Christians so unfamiliar with the Word (and others) giving money to these clowns, the cons would long ago have found another way to make money. Why fly commercial? I dunno maybe be among the lost… just an idea.

    I guess “a fool and his money are soon parted” goes for Christians too.

    I agree God is not mocked, but that doesn’t mean we don’t speak out against these wolves in shepherd’s (expensive) clothing.

    End of rant.

  5. While I understand some folks like Will who destest the government probing into the financial stauts/spending of some ministries, I think there’s warrent for it.

    The problem is that the professing churches are not doing their job of holding famous (such a stupid thing to refer to any “Christian” as famous, but there you go) teachers accountable for their doctrine AND practices, which include how they spend their money. Therefore it seems God is using the secular government to do that which “Christians” refuse to do, to their shame. I would point folks to the huge expose a Canadian tv station did on Benny Hinn a few years back that later played here in the US, where they showed his extravagance, greed, and fraud.

    The other problem is the government DOES get a say when an organization or church files for non-profit status. If organizations or churches don’t want the government interferring with their dealings, then they ought not to file for non-profit at all, pay their taxes, and move on. The reason they file for this status is for MONETARY reasons. Seems like the wrong motivation.

    Will, if you want the government to step away from having any regulation in any business, then bring on the lead-infested cheap Chinese junk, poisoned dog food, baby equipment defects, and oil monopolies. Do away with the FDA and let any and all drugs be bought and sold without any regulation. I mean, you can’t have it both ways.

    The ministries challenged are NOT Christian in nature. They are an abomination to God and as such are under HIS judgement and wrath. They are religious, but are NOT Christian. I have no sympathy for any of them. Rather, I have anger toward them because they peddle the Word for money.

    I dare say that the Christians under the Roman Empire’s rule had plenty to revile against, but remember what Scripture says: give to Ceasar what is Ceasar’s, and to God what is God’s. We are to obey our government until they demand we disobey Him.

  6. Here’s a link to the compound of Joyce Meyer:

    http://www.trinityfi.org/images/meyer03.jpg

    This can’t possibly qualify as a write-off.

  7. here’s another way of looking at these people.

  8. Vlad

    As a Christian I fully support the rights of churches, but I believe that the fundamental issue here is being completely lost in the rhetoric. The public outrage and government rancor over these particular high-profile ministries is being generated, I believe, not necessarily because they have violated specific IRS laws (though this may be true in some cases), but because they have completely violated the intent of our laws governing charitable and religious entities. It is my understanding that the intent of these laws was to allow religious organizations protection from undue government interference and financial hardship so they could set out to propagate the Good News to those hungry for it. The IRS laws were never intended to provide a shelter for organizations wishing to leverage the protections afforded to them in order to operate entities that serve to enrich the ministers, their staff, friends, and family. Further, it is clear that organizations currently under scrutiny have managed to use these IRS laws to live large opulent lifestyles that border on the category of “super rich”. The anger and outrage comes from the obvious abuse of existing laws, though within the bounds, blatantly violate the spirit and intent. History will record that ministers were a modest bunch with pure intentions and lifestyles that testified to moderation and prudence, yet not poor or destitute. Our current laws were written to address that modest and frugal spirit. Clearly, modern day televangelists have struck gold by abusing these well intentioned laws and it will be necessary to reevaluate these laws in light of contemporary behaviors.

  9. Reformed Mama

    “For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person- such a man is an idolater- has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them”.

    Denise…that compound…wow…!!

  10. agogley

    I’m a crimina investigator for the IRS. Vlad has pretty much hit the nail on the head. First of all, there’s a HUGE problem with tax evasion in general (and it gets bigger with higher tax rates and more complex laws but that a side comment). In addition to the entities already mentioned, there is abuse of no-profits in general. I’ve worked investigations into people who claim they are a church (you know, me, myself and I) and therefore do not have to pay taxes. You also have non-profits who fund terrorism or simply support oppulent lifestyles of the super wealthy. Additonally, churches have one benefit that not all other non-profits have. The donees can deduct their donations on their own tax returns.

    A flat tax would fix a lot of these issues IMO…but few seemed inclined to fix it while they’re getting the gravy train.

    Lastly, I work a lot of financial fraud. I get this attitude a lot that a if a person is stupid enough to fall for it, then they deserve to get ripped off. A theory that works well, unless of course, you’re the sucker.

  11. H8n S8n

    Because of their lust for greed, all these Pulpit-Pimps do is destroy lives.Like Denise posted: “This can’t possibly qualify as a write-off.”
    Denise gets it.

    H8n note: It is a little slow to get this traim rolling down the track.
    However? The best is yet to come. More heads will roll.

    The only formal education for “Bishop” Randy White? he has a piece of paper to hang on the wall for”Air Conditioning” ! Anything else he
    claims is fake.

    It is OT for this thread I understand. Tod Bently is OUT !

    UPDATE: After this story aired on “Nightline,” Fresh Fire Ministries released a statement announcing that preacher Todd Bentley would be taking time off “to refresh and to rest” after having spent four months in Lakeland, Fla., leading revival meetings. In the meantime their Lakeland broadcasts on GOD TV are put on hold.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/FaithMatters/story?id=5338963&page=1

    Aside from “Emma”, where Tod learned his trade is from a Benny
    Hinn book “Good Morning, Holy Spirit” Google Tod Bently and
    click links #3, 4 & 5. Yes, I’m OT I know.

    H8n S8n !

  12. H8n S8n

    And if I may add?
    I think we should all pray that these “Pulpit-Pimps” be rewarded,
    manifold, according to their good works ! I think thats a fair prayer.

    H8n S8n !

  13. H8n S8n

    When It Is Right to Fight - by H8n S8n

    The intent of the tax laws for the religious organizations was founded many, many years ago. Sorry do not know the exact date.

    The tax laws for the non-profits were formed at a time when your local preacher was a man who devoted his life to God, his family and his community. These pastors were on-call 24/7. Being a pastor was not an occupation, but a call on their lives and they were deeply devoted.

    Many pastors in this century do not have their calling, nor their dedication.

    The non-profit tax laws were actually set in place so that these men (they were all men back then) would be able to have a roof over their heads for themselves and their families while they pursed their calling as shepherd to the flock and a place of refuge within the community.

    What these laws were NOT meant to do was to allow so-called men and women of god (yes, little g) to live the lives of rock stars.

    There are men and women of god who are abusing the tax laws and living lavish lifestyles at the expense of the sheep.

    What Senator Grassley is doing is not an encroachment on the separation of church and state. Quite the contrary. He is holding these ministers accountable. These ministers have set up boards and insulated themselves so that their is no accountability. They do what they want, when they want and hide under Freedom of Religion. They are con artists.

    Wanna have some fun?
    Check out some of their myspace pages and see what they list under “occupation”. You will be appalled . . .or you should be.
    Kim Clement - Kim Clement
    Paula White - Life Coach
    Randy White - Open and negoshable

    There is the spirit of the law and there is the letter of the law. The pulpit pimps are using the letter of the law to their advantage. The spirit of the law allowed your local minister to take care of himself and his family while serving God and his community.

    Do not allow the Senate’s investigation to instill fear within you in any shape or form. Your freedom of religion is not in jeopardy. The pulpit pimps lifestyles is another story. They are the only ones who have something to lose here . . .and rightly so.

    The TB infection in Lakeland was #4 on our current list.
    Looks like he has been benched. This party ain’t over because some
    have “complied” thinking they will be overlooked. The team I am on has been following Mr. Bently for about 6 months now. I cannot assume
    everyone knows who he is. Here is a Cliff Notes version of TB:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdG8umTm0hI&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaZlEQY5mFg

    This is my personal favorite:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTsYSR9kEeg

    H8n S8n

  14. H8n S8n

    KKLA 99.5 FM will be interviewing H8n S8n about Todd Bently at 5:10PM 7/17/08

    What he does is clearly under the influence of demonic manifestation, invoking the Hindu “sprit” of Kundalini.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtVGxJU-j2I

    The people are hungry for revival, and are unable to wait. We know what
    hapened to Abraham when he could not wait upon Y. One son under the bond-slave, one under the free-woman. End result? Islam !

    I thought only Smith Wigglesworth could raise the dead? It would appear Tod Bentley does that too. Go to You Tube and enter “Todd Bentley raises the dead” = 79 videos ! I know I am out-of-line with all the links - this is the last one, not all know aboot Todd yet.

    ANGELS CATCH HOTEL ON FIRE TODD BENTLEY VIDEO!
    http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/3399535/

    There are no “healing” Angels in the bible. Of course there is that one time when the Angel showed up? And the guy got the opposite of
    a healing!

  15. H8n S8n

    KKLA has a streaming link. Not everyone that reads here is in LA.
    http://www.kkla.com/

    I will be interviewed by Paul Pastore
    http://www.kkla.com/LocalHosts/4/

    When I found out that Todd Bentley was going to be in Pasadena, Ca
    July 26 & 27, I sent out many emails to TV, Radio, Newspapers, etc,
    to inform them of this news-worthy event. KKLA called H8n and said
    they would like to interview me, Of course I said yes.

    H8n S8n !

  16. H8n,

    Yeah! The Frank Pastore Show Thursday 7/17 at 5PM PST!

    Looking forward to it.

  17. I watched the Todd Bentley linked by H8n S8n. Man, sometimes I would like to know what exactly they had for dinner the night before. It must have been something good… ;)

    The scary thing is that there are thousands of people who buy into this. What proof of the need for the pure Gospel to be preached.

    Stephen,
    Don’t worry about the length of the post… I really enjoyed it, keep ‘em coming!

  18. H8n S8n

    Glen: Todd Bentley is not a Kool-Aid drinker, really.

    HE IS HOOKED UP TO AN IV !

    Steven will post Part 1 in my review of Todd Bentley

  19. H8n S8n

    Trinity has a new website they put up just for info on

    Senate Finance Committee Investigation

    http://www.trinityfi.org/trinity/grassley_main.html

  20. H8n S8n

    Paula and Randy White update:
    http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/sep/12/without-walls-church-hoping-revival/

    H8n note:
    If they are advancing? They are advancing to the rear.

    The number of visitors on the church’s once-popular Web site dropped from a three-year high of 55,500 in October to about 7,200 in July,

    In July, 21,000 people came to paulawhite.org, down from 61,000 in October

    Also:
    If Paula White and Randy White are 100% sold-out Christians? Then?
    Why divorce without giving Biblical grounds for the divorce? ? ?

    Lets Review?

    The only reasons I can come up with why both Randy and Paula White would announce their divorce without defining Biblical Grounds, is for one of two reasons.

    1. There aren’t any and they don’t care
    2. There are but both are guilty and neither wants to come clean

    Either way, one thing is certain, neither Randy White or Paula White has good PR people! Even the politicians who are caught in sex scandals have a better repertoire with the public then this! Why leave the body of Christ just hanging in the balance without one iota of care or respect for how this will affect believer?

    Answer? No Fear of God.

  21. The first thing I see wrong with the ministry of the White’s is a violation of the qualifications for a minister of the Gospel (1 Tim 3). There were sexual sins in both of the White’s and there is a gender issue to contend with as well. Several other things also raise the flags, but those two issues should end the discussion before the other flags even have a chance to come up.

  22. Apostle Samuel Solomon

    God is cleaning His house to make it HOLY for HIS GLORY and His Glory shall be revealed! All the fakes and phonies are being revealed too so they can repent or HE will personally remove them and it won’t be pretty!!! God will not allow His Name to be smeared anymore!

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