Comments on: National Day of Prayer Task Force Chairman Sells Out For Good Press http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/ Biblical Christianity Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:33:53 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: john http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/comment-page-1/#comment-4943 john Sat, 03 May 2008 01:45:49 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/#comment-4943 Jean: Its fair to wonder about how far to take our imitation of Christ. Jesus gave us this teaching on just how far we should go to imitate His Fathers character. Luk 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. Luk 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. Luk 6:34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. John Jean:
Its fair to wonder about how far to take our imitation of Christ. Jesus gave us this teaching on just how far we should go to imitate His Fathers character.

Luk 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
Luk 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
Luk 6:34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

John

]]> By: john http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/comment-page-1/#comment-4942 john Sat, 03 May 2008 01:41:47 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/#comment-4942 If the nation will not tolerate prayers in Jesus name for its help and blessing, all that is left is a certain doom. But those that see past the rebellion of the wicked to the present help available from God, will pray and will hold on. Mal 3:13 Your words have been stout against me, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee? Mal 3:14 Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the LORD of hosts? Mal 3:15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered. Mal 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spoke often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. Mal 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. Mal 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. The righteous are not so easily beset by the wicked not granting permission to pray as we ought. God will spare his jewels, we need to be faithful to preach and pray as Jesus would have us do. John If the nation will not tolerate prayers in Jesus name for its help and blessing, all that is left is a certain doom. But those that see past the rebellion of the wicked to the present help available from God, will pray and will hold on.

Mal 3:13 Your words have been stout against me, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee?
Mal 3:14 Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the LORD of hosts?
Mal 3:15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered.
Mal 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spoke often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
Mal 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Mal 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

The righteous are not so easily beset by the wicked not granting permission to pray as we ought. God will spare his jewels, we need to be faithful to preach and pray as Jesus would have us do.

John

]]> By: Reformed Mama http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/comment-page-1/#comment-4902 Reformed Mama Fri, 02 May 2008 04:03:05 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/#comment-4902 This comment has been moved - see link above -Administrator This comment has been moved – see link above

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]]> By: Jean Cauvin http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/comment-page-1/#comment-4901 Jean Cauvin Fri, 02 May 2008 03:55:11 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/#comment-4901 This comment has been moved - see link above This comment has been moved – see link above

]]> By: Drew Kerr http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/comment-page-1/#comment-4900 Drew Kerr Fri, 02 May 2008 03:54:00 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/#comment-4900 I'd like to jump in here and ask that comments be kept to the topic of the post. Whether God loves or hates the non-elect shouldn't be discussed here. Instead, you can go this post: http://biblicalthought.com/blog/does-god-love-everyone/ Thanks. I’d like to jump in here and ask that comments be kept to the topic of the post. Whether God loves or hates the non-elect shouldn’t be discussed here. Instead, you can go this post:

http://biblicalthought.com/blog/does-god-love-everyone/

Thanks.

]]> By: Stephen Macasil http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/comment-page-1/#comment-4899 Stephen Macasil Fri, 02 May 2008 03:53:18 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/#comment-4899 Jean, How do you reconcile the apparent tension in your position with "loving your enemies" and "blessing those that persecute you?" Jean,

How do you reconcile the apparent tension in your position with “loving your enemies” and “blessing those that persecute you?”

]]> By: Jean Cauvin http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/comment-page-1/#comment-4897 Jean Cauvin Fri, 02 May 2008 03:28:26 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/#comment-4897 Wayne, John says in 1st John 5:19 about the world being controled by the Evil One. This to be understood with the first world in 1st John 2:15. In 1st John 2:15 there are two different worlds discussed. This is common of the Author John to act this way. For example, the word, world in the Gospel of John (1:10) has three worlds meaning three separate things. The first world in 1st John 2:15 is antithetical to the world we find in John 3:16. This world is the reprobate and the things in the world flow from the worldly for even the creation suffers and groans (Romans 8:22, Romans 5:12-18). Our word "secular" comes from the Latin, "seclorum" which means, worldly or of the world. For since God hates the secular (seclorum) non-elect (reprobate), so should we. We don't know who is or who is not elect ultimately. But just as their are clues for a professing Christian of substance, so there are also clues to convey one who may or may not be God's child (Galatians 5:21-22). But this wan't my direct point. My direct point was that Scripture does NOT command us as Christians to love the non-elect. The verses that discuss the love of our neighbor I believe is intended to mean the community of believers (Leviticus 19:18, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9-10). I would go as far as to say that if a Christian loves a non-christian via the ABOVE VERSES, he/she is in sin. Thus, I do not love (or am I commanded to love), Jeremiah Wright, Clark Pinnock, or Greg Stafford. Though only God knows ultimately their fate, their fruits are so rotten, I would deem them as of now a rotting corpse. Jean Cauvin Wayne,

John says in 1st John 5:19 about the world being controled by the Evil One. This to be understood with the first world in 1st John 2:15.

In 1st John 2:15 there are two different worlds discussed. This is common of the Author John to act this way. For example, the word, world in the Gospel of John (1:10) has three worlds meaning three separate things.

The first world in 1st John 2:15 is antithetical to the world we find in John 3:16. This world is the reprobate and the things in the world flow from the worldly for even the creation suffers and groans (Romans 8:22, Romans 5:12-18).

Our word “secular” comes from the Latin, “seclorum” which means, worldly or of the world.

For since God hates the secular (seclorum) non-elect (reprobate), so should we.

We don’t know who is or who is not elect ultimately. But just as their are clues for a professing Christian of substance, so there are also clues to convey one who may or may not be God’s child (Galatians 5:21-22).

But this wan’t my direct point. My direct point was that Scripture does NOT command us as Christians to love the non-elect. The verses that discuss the love of our neighbor I believe is intended to mean the community of believers (Leviticus 19:18, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9-10). I would go as far as to say that if a Christian loves a non-christian via the ABOVE VERSES, he/she is in sin.

Thus, I do not love (or am I commanded to love), Jeremiah Wright, Clark Pinnock, or Greg Stafford. Though only God knows ultimately their fate, their fruits are so rotten, I would deem them as of now a rotting corpse.

Jean Cauvin

]]> By: agogley http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/comment-page-1/#comment-4893 agogley Fri, 02 May 2008 02:44:44 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/#comment-4893 Wayne, The problem with any passages with "love" and "world" is that you have to look a little deeper to find the meaning. I say I love ice cream that doesn't mean I love it the same as I love my wife. I also refer to "world" even though I clearly don't always mean the whole world. You have to study the verses and look at the full meaning, otherwise you get verse abuse. To the others: People have odd concepts of love. I see parents that think they love their children by letting them do whatever the heck they want to do. Run around like wild animals in the store: "it's ok." Act like heathen in somebody else's home: "oh, they're just expressing themselves." Love means giving them a paddling when they are disobedient. Anyways, that's my rant on "love." Wayne,

The problem with any passages with “love” and “world” is that you have to look a little deeper to find the meaning. I say I love ice cream that doesn’t mean I love it the same as I love my wife. I also refer to “world” even though I clearly don’t always mean the whole world. You have to study the verses and look at the full meaning, otherwise you get verse abuse.

To the others: People have odd concepts of love. I see parents that think they love their children by letting them do whatever the heck they want to do. Run around like wild animals in the store: “it’s ok.” Act like heathen in somebody else’s home: “oh, they’re just expressing themselves.” Love means giving them a paddling when they are disobedient.

Anyways, that’s my rant on “love.”

]]> By: Reformed Mama http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/comment-page-1/#comment-4889 Reformed Mama Fri, 02 May 2008 00:42:09 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/#comment-4889 Wayne~ It is a great blessing to hear of your ministry in the prisons...how wonderful that our Lord has indeed prepared you to do good works before even the foundation of the world (Eph.2). Thank you for coming to our site and for such an uplifting tone! God's grace... Wayne~

It is a great blessing to hear of your ministry in the prisons…how wonderful that our Lord has indeed prepared you to do good works before even the foundation of the world (Eph.2). Thank you for coming to our site and for such an uplifting tone!

God’s grace…

]]> By: Wayne Parker http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/comment-page-1/#comment-4885 Wayne Parker Thu, 01 May 2008 21:28:29 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-chairman-sells-out-for-good-press/#comment-4885 Becky said, "Love doesn’t mean pretending that they don’t need to repent." I completely agree, thanks for the clarification. I volunteer in a prison ministry through my church here in Tulsa, and I make it clear to the inmates that say they want to receive salvation that this is very serious business. They need to repent of their sins and lay down their lives and follow Jesus. This is not an "I-got-saved-at-church-camp-because-the-pretty-girl-next-to-me-did-and-I-wanted-to-impress-her" kind of a thing. I've had the privilege of ministering on death row, and some of those guys have more freedom in the Lord than I think I've ever seen anywhere else. It is awesome to see the joy that many of them exude week after week after week. There is not big car or new house in their future, yet they are not faking, they are for real and I am sometimes in absolute awe of how upbeat and joyful they are and how they light up when we talk about the Lord, compared to my showing up there having had a "bad day." And when we sing they sing at the top of their lungs. I was looking at those guys on Tuesday night and wondering what a church full of believers with that kind of committment level would be like. It is amazing to see the transformation that Jesus has done in the hearts of these men. Becky said, “Love doesn’t mean pretending that they don’t need to repent.” I completely agree, thanks for the clarification. I volunteer in a prison ministry through my church here in Tulsa, and I make it clear to the inmates that say they want to receive salvation that this is very serious business. They need to repent of their sins and lay down their lives and follow Jesus. This is not an “I-got-saved-at-church-camp-because-the-pretty-girl-next-to-me-did-and-I-wanted-to-impress-her” kind of a thing.

I’ve had the privilege of ministering on death row, and some of those guys have more freedom in the Lord than I think I’ve ever seen anywhere else. It is awesome to see the joy that many of them exude week after week after week. There is not big car or new house in their future, yet they are not faking, they are for real and I am sometimes in absolute awe of how upbeat and joyful they are and how they light up when we talk about the Lord, compared to my showing up there having had a “bad day.”

And when we sing they sing at the top of their lungs. I was looking at those guys on Tuesday night and wondering what a church full of believers with that kind of committment level would be like. It is amazing to see the transformation that Jesus has done in the hearts of these men.

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