Oct 8, 2008
Do You Have Questions You Want Asked At Table Talk 6?
If you have questions you would like to have asked at Table Talk 6, simply click on the BT contact form tab from the navigation bar above and submit by email. Please articulate the question[s] as clearly as you can and include your first name and State. The email submission is not limited to those that plan on attending. So even if you are not planning on attending, submit today. We are also going to be receiving questions by text message, but that will only be available to attendees.
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Danny Pelichowski
I asked this question in February of this year in a discussion on the problem of evil here on this blog. I am just going to include the whole thing for context but if I had to boil it down the question would be: “Dr. Morey, what would you say to a new earth professor who bases his young earth creation view primarily on the fact that animal death could not exist prior to the fall? Also what do you think about his confident assumption that there are no young earth theologians who believe that there was death, pain, suffering, evil prior to the fall? lastly, Verses such as the “lion will lay down with the lamb” and the “creation groans” are thrown out as definitive answers to refute prelapsarian evil, I know that you have heard many of these arguments against pre-fall evil so can you shed some light on this highly speculative theological discussion and give exegetical clarity to the proof texts used above?”
(original question/discussion) “I am currently auditing a seminary level class in systematic theology and lo and behold the doctrine of creation was the first to be discussed. The professor talked about different pagan views about creation and then went on to discuss theistic views of creation. While discussing different old earth creation theories like Kline’s framework view, the day age theory, and the gap theory his main argument against them was the problem of evil. He argued that all of these theories permit animal death pre-fall. Now he is a young earther who when asked by a student to describe the clinching argument that persuaded him on his position of a young earth, said that it was the fact that evil and death couldn’t have existed prior to the fall. He was also convinced that anyone arguing for prelapsarian evil had to be either a theistic evolustionist or an old earther.
I had been listening to Dr. Morey’s lectures on God, Evil, and You prior to the class and he discusses pre-fall evil quite eloquently on disk 5, so of course I was squirming in my seat. Dr. Morey believes in a young earth and has good and sufficient Biblical reason to believe in the mortality of man, animals, plants and insects before the fall. Stephen and I were discussing the issue yesterday and he told me to read up on this blog article and to my surprise Biblical Thought is discussing the very issue.
The main point of my post is to point out the relevancy of this doctrine. The arguments given on the other side are sad to say just as Morey stated in his lecture, influenced by Dante, Milton, and medieval artists. It’s almost as if they assume that evil and death pre-fall could not have existed without ever really having good and sufficient Biblical warrant. When backing up and looking at the issue with “eagle vision” it is clear that a lot of speculation is going on. Verses such as the “lion will lay down with the lamb” and the “creation groans” are thrown out as definitive answers to refute prelapsarian evil as if they were iron clad passages of full mention like Romans 9 on election. I know that Dr. Morey has encountered these and many other arguments like them and I would be interested in his response to them. Dr. Morey, if you can indulge us and discuss the arguments that you have heard over the years I think it might help us all in this discussion. Thanks.”
Oct 10th, 2008
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