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		<title>By: Wick</title>
		<link>http://biblicalthought.com/blog/can-professing-christians-sue-each-other-in-civil-court/#comment-7738</link>
		<dc:creator>Wick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: the rebuttal is only to Dr. Morrey. I re-read Aguilis&#039; post and see that he is on point. I apologize.

Wick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: the rebuttal is only to Dr. Morrey. I re-read Aguilis&#8217; post and see that he is on point. I apologize.</p>
<p>Wick</p>
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		<title>By: Wick</title>
		<link>http://biblicalthought.com/blog/can-professing-christians-sue-each-other-in-civil-court/#comment-7737</link>
		<dc:creator>Wick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not fully convinced. Look, Dr. Morrey, you are the sharpest razor for the Church I have ever encountered. It is with some degree of trembling I say this but I must say to your conclusion... NO, ...maybe.

I am not concerned with how a person can abuse Paul&#039;s chastisement of the Corinthian church found in 1 Cor. 6. That seems, to me, to be the main attack you are defending against; believers getting away with crimes by invoking scripture.

I am focused on Paul&#039;s zeal, concerning the power of the God&#039;s work, toward we who believe. He is defending the work of Christ and and the greatness of His name (always). 

Is it possible that Paul is saying these things to shame us (v.5); because even the weighty matters of of our present life, that demand justice, are insignificant (there&#039;s that word!) compared to what we are to be concerned with in Christ; or as Paul says in Romans 8:18 &quot;...the glory which shall be revealed in us?&quot; 

The idea is that God has bigger plans for us (v2-3)! Yet, here we are, having all manner of disputes among us! This isn&#039;t about who was supposed to take out the trash and didn&#039;t. It isn&#039;t even about whether Tommy punched Johnny and who started it! Paul is concerned with our lack of ability and understanding about one thing, and one thing only: the glory of God revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord!

Now, exactly how big of an issue YOU can allow your wiser brethren to pass judgement on is up to you! Work it out and don&#039;t be lazy or selfish! Don&#039;t think that a civil court is going to be your friend or even judge a matter correctly! Don&#039;t buck against your elders because you don&#039;t like what judgement was passed! To the law, to the testimony! 

By the way, I am pretty sure, that in Paul&#039;s day, in Greece, you had a pretty good chance, if you went to court, of getting judged by blatant homosexuals and murderers!! HELLO!!

I&#039;m done. Sorry to have disturbed you fine people.

No wait, there is more!

To provide a rebuttal to Agilius and Dr. Morrey: I am sure that the Greek word 
&quot;elaxistwn” means what you say it means, BUT, look at the context of the passage: we (the saints) will &quot;judge the world&quot; and &quot;judge the angels!&quot; These are very weighty matters; higher than many &quot;insignificant&quot; issues we face presently! Come to think of it, our serious issues of defraudment, theft, vandalism, slander, and assault could be considered such. Put them in the scales! On one side &quot;judging the world&quot;... on the other, &quot;somebody stole my money!&quot; I am deaf from the sound of the scales tipping and slamming into the ground, so to speak! 

Unless someone died, or got raped, figure it out. The Lord is capable of raising up some worthwhile judges from among us, don&#039;t you think (I think the harder part might be finding some American Christians who can submit to their brethren)? Well, there are those crazy churches out there, aren&#039;t there? Like I said, consider it, weigh it out, and submit to it.

Peace brethren!

Conclusion: Inconclusive! Work it out! It&#039;s almost like marriage or something... sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not fully convinced. Look, Dr. Morrey, you are the sharpest razor for the Church I have ever encountered. It is with some degree of trembling I say this but I must say to your conclusion&#8230; NO, &#8230;maybe.</p>
<p>I am not concerned with how a person can abuse Paul&#8217;s chastisement of the Corinthian church found in 1 Cor. 6. That seems, to me, to be the main attack you are defending against; believers getting away with crimes by invoking scripture.</p>
<p>I am focused on Paul&#8217;s zeal, concerning the power of the God&#8217;s work, toward we who believe. He is defending the work of Christ and and the greatness of His name (always). </p>
<p>Is it possible that Paul is saying these things to shame us (v.5); because even the weighty matters of of our present life, that demand justice, are insignificant (there&#8217;s that word!) compared to what we are to be concerned with in Christ; or as Paul says in Romans 8:18 &#8220;&#8230;the glory which shall be revealed in us?&#8221; </p>
<p>The idea is that God has bigger plans for us (v2-3)! Yet, here we are, having all manner of disputes among us! This isn&#8217;t about who was supposed to take out the trash and didn&#8217;t. It isn&#8217;t even about whether Tommy punched Johnny and who started it! Paul is concerned with our lack of ability and understanding about one thing, and one thing only: the glory of God revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord!</p>
<p>Now, exactly how big of an issue YOU can allow your wiser brethren to pass judgement on is up to you! Work it out and don&#8217;t be lazy or selfish! Don&#8217;t think that a civil court is going to be your friend or even judge a matter correctly! Don&#8217;t buck against your elders because you don&#8217;t like what judgement was passed! To the law, to the testimony! </p>
<p>By the way, I am pretty sure, that in Paul&#8217;s day, in Greece, you had a pretty good chance, if you went to court, of getting judged by blatant homosexuals and murderers!! HELLO!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m done. Sorry to have disturbed you fine people.</p>
<p>No wait, there is more!</p>
<p>To provide a rebuttal to Agilius and Dr. Morrey: I am sure that the Greek word<br />
&#8220;elaxistwn” means what you say it means, BUT, look at the context of the passage: we (the saints) will &#8220;judge the world&#8221; and &#8220;judge the angels!&#8221; These are very weighty matters; higher than many &#8220;insignificant&#8221; issues we face presently! Come to think of it, our serious issues of defraudment, theft, vandalism, slander, and assault could be considered such. Put them in the scales! On one side &#8220;judging the world&#8221;&#8230; on the other, &#8220;somebody stole my money!&#8221; I am deaf from the sound of the scales tipping and slamming into the ground, so to speak! </p>
<p>Unless someone died, or got raped, figure it out. The Lord is capable of raising up some worthwhile judges from among us, don&#8217;t you think (I think the harder part might be finding some American Christians who can submit to their brethren)? Well, there are those crazy churches out there, aren&#8217;t there? Like I said, consider it, weigh it out, and submit to it.</p>
<p>Peace brethren!</p>
<p>Conclusion: Inconclusive! Work it out! It&#8217;s almost like marriage or something&#8230; sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Cauvin</title>
		<link>http://biblicalthought.com/blog/can-professing-christians-sue-each-other-in-civil-court/#comment-3668</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Cauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with Morey on this issue. Though one interesting point. The position that he takes (and I take) is not reformed thinking. It is dispensational thinking.

So this begs the question regarding hermenutics. Reformed theologicans claim the literary while the dispensationalists claim the literal.

I don&#039;t often say this but in this case, it&#039;s pure semantics on that point (generally speaking). It would be interesting to see how Morey relates a reformed hermenutic with a dispensational conclusion. 

This is not an attack, i&#039;m a nice person. Just an interesting piece.

Jean Cauvin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with Morey on this issue. Though one interesting point. The position that he takes (and I take) is not reformed thinking. It is dispensational thinking.</p>
<p>So this begs the question regarding hermenutics. Reformed theologicans claim the literary while the dispensationalists claim the literal.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t often say this but in this case, it&#8217;s pure semantics on that point (generally speaking). It would be interesting to see how Morey relates a reformed hermenutic with a dispensational conclusion. </p>
<p>This is not an attack, i&#8217;m a nice person. Just an interesting piece.</p>
<p>Jean Cauvin</p>
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		<title>By: agogley</title>
		<link>http://biblicalthought.com/blog/can-professing-christians-sue-each-other-in-civil-court/#comment-3218</link>
		<dc:creator>agogley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize that this was even an issue.  That section of Corinthians always seemed so straightforward.  But I guess it shouldn&#039;t surprise me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize that this was even an issue.  That section of Corinthians always seemed so straightforward.  But I guess it shouldn&#8217;t surprise me.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Frascella</title>
		<link>http://biblicalthought.com/blog/can-professing-christians-sue-each-other-in-civil-court/#comment-3217</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Frascella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen and heed to the Word delieverd once and for all to the saints  Jude 3.  View life through the eyes of scripture and live.  Do otherwise and suffer.  Sola scripturas.  Alehleua  Jesus Reigns!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen and heed to the Word delieverd once and for all to the saints  Jude 3.  View life through the eyes of scripture and live.  Do otherwise and suffer.  Sola scripturas.  Alehleua  Jesus Reigns!!</p>
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		<title>By: Agilius</title>
		<link>http://biblicalthought.com/blog/can-professing-christians-sue-each-other-in-civil-court/#comment-3188</link>
		<dc:creator>Agilius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; 1 Cor. 6:2 narrows the judgment of the leadership to “insignificant issues.” The Greek word “elaxistwn” means things that are insignificant. They refer to such things as stepping on someone’s toes or jumping ahead in a line or the kinds of insults that people often give to each other. Nowhere in the passage is an ecclesiastical court asked to judge civil issues.

Except that no one goes to court over stepped on toes or insults. Also, verse 3 says that we will judge angels.

The purpose of referring to &quot;small matters&quot; is that the Corinthian church lacked the discernment to judge small matters, when they ought to have had such a keen sense of morality and logic that they could dig out the hidden truths which bear on matters of judgement.

The world should have been able to look to *them* for precision judgements in regard to all matters.

&gt;&gt; While Jesus judged religious issues, He refused to judge civil issues. 

This is because that wasn&#039;t what he was here for at the time. Don&#039;t you remember that Revelation describes Jesus&#039; words as a sharp two-edged sword? Jesus didn&#039;t have a problem with judging all matters, per se.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; 1 Cor. 6:2 narrows the judgment of the leadership to “insignificant issues.” The Greek word “elaxistwn” means things that are insignificant. They refer to such things as stepping on someone’s toes or jumping ahead in a line or the kinds of insults that people often give to each other. Nowhere in the passage is an ecclesiastical court asked to judge civil issues.</p>
<p>Except that no one goes to court over stepped on toes or insults. Also, verse 3 says that we will judge angels.</p>
<p>The purpose of referring to &#8220;small matters&#8221; is that the Corinthian church lacked the discernment to judge small matters, when they ought to have had such a keen sense of morality and logic that they could dig out the hidden truths which bear on matters of judgement.</p>
<p>The world should have been able to look to *them* for precision judgements in regard to all matters.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; While Jesus judged religious issues, He refused to judge civil issues. </p>
<p>This is because that wasn&#8217;t what he was here for at the time. Don&#8217;t you remember that Revelation describes Jesus&#8217; words as a sharp two-edged sword? Jesus didn&#8217;t have a problem with judging all matters, per se.</p>
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