Avoiding the “Flat Bible” Problem - Part 1
Biblical Thought is pleased to present a five part series on biblical interpretation by Pastor Glenn Leatherman. Pastor Glenn has reflected on a recent discussion with Mormon elders and their abuse of John 10:30 and has decided to get down to the nitty-gritty: hermeneutics. Hold on and enjoy the ride as Pastor Glenn offers his pastoral heart in teaching and walks you through the following:
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Part 1: The Consequence Of Fast Theology - A Flat Bible (posted today)
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Part 2: A Flat Bible Perspective Erroneously Tries To Arrive At Interpretations And Definitions Independently From The Context Of The Verse (will post later)
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Part 3: A Flat Bible Perspective Erroneously Tries To Arrive At Interpretations And Definitions Without The Context And Perspective Of All Of Scripture (will post later)
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Part 4: A Flat Bible Perspective Erroneously Tries To Arrive At Interpretations And Definitions By Normalizing A Single Definition Through A Word Study Or A Concordance Study (will post later)
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Part 5: Conclusion - Christians Need To Avoid The FLAT BIBLE ERROR Because It Will Kill Their Witness To Unbelievers Who Use The Same Hermeneutical Principle. (will post later)
Here is part 1.
Avoiding the “Flat Bible” Problem
An example in talking to Mormons about John 10:30
Part 1: The Consequence Of Fast Theology - A Flat Bible
Last week I had a very disturbing conversation with 3 Mormon elders who would not look at the context of a particular passage of Scripture. Instead they wanted to standardize all definitions of the word “one” based on a traditional interpretation of John 17:20-21. This conversation occurred after a talk on Mormonism at our Wednesday Night Apologetics Bible Study with Faith Defenders Ministry. These Mormon elders came ready for debate and refused to listen or deal with hermeneutical issues (the science of biblical interpretation) first so that we could agree on how we go about explaining and interpreting a certain portion of Scripture. This article has grown out of my reflection over how I must handle scripture in my witnessing. In my reflection of witnessing with cults like Mormons concerning specific texts of the Bible, I find that many if not most Christians have difficulty in solid Biblical interpretation because our American Culture has dumbed-down our ability to think deeply about issues that we read about. Ours is a visual culture which is not favorable for the rigorous disciplines of Biblical Interpretation. We want things made simple and handed to us in 3 minutes or less. Like our fast food we want fast theology, and this will always fail us when we witness to other religions that study more than we do but develop hermeneutical fallacies as the basis of their beliefs.
Do You Have A Flat Bible?
We can see the result of fast theology in our witnessing today. Many Christians have a hard time with witnessing to cults and Mormons today because they follow the same hermeneutical mistakes that these cults (i.e. like Mormons) use in their exegesis and in developing their theology (that usually becomes from both a tabloid theology and folk theology). While many Christians maintain an orthodox Christology for the most part, they seriously hurt themselves in their Christian walk by making the Bible flat because of their personal emotions on an issue (Existential/Mystical Theology), their past beliefs, experiences, tradition (Folk Theology), and current popular cultural beliefs or fads (Tabloid Theology). Now to be better and effective witnesses to Mormons, we need to avoid this FLAT BIBLE PROBLEM that Mormon’s have.
Now you may ask, “What is a flat bible?” Good question. One needs to realize that when interpreting the Bible (or any piece of literature), that the authorial intent of the passage controls the interpretation and meaning of the words, phrases, and sentences regardless of what the definition of the Words and meanings we might place on them. Realtors say “location, location, location” is what counts in determining which property to buy and understanding its future value. Biblical exegetes and Bible students must say the same thing when it comes to rightly interpreting any passage of scripture - “location, location, location” or “context, context, context” - because words have no meaning by themselves without the context of the author, occasion of writing, and recipients of the writing. Proper interpretation of Scripture is hard because each passage has 2 authors (a human author and God). So a Flat Bible is actually a mistaken personal interpretative perspective of misinterpreting words to always have the same definition regardless of context. Like avoiding a “Flat World” perspective in the study of the science of astronomy, avoiding the FLAT BIBLE PROBLEM in studying Scripture is very important because many Christians make this mistake in their word studies which affects their theology.
How Do Christians Mistakenly Develop A Flat Bible Perspective?
While Christians benefit greatly from reading books on different interpretative positions, many Christians today create their own flat Bible because they don’t take the time to do painstaking exegetical study of passages to define the meaning of words within each phrase, sentence, paragraph, chapter, and book. Then they refuse to see how the author meant the word phrases, paragraphs, chapters to relate to each other. Communication gaps take place all the time and sometimes they do hurt us spiritually. Flat Bibles occurs because people mistakenly believe that people see the world and interpret the world, life, truth, justice, morals, meaning and beauty in the same exact way. So words always mean the same thing because we ignore these communication gaps. Mormons will try to make the word “one” mean the same thing in both John 10:30 and in John 17:20-21, because of their commitment to this hermeneutical error. We will discuss this more later, but for now I want you to see that the way people flatten out their Bibles is because they make some man the starting point for their definitions of words, and ignore the multiperspectival issues in language and syntax.
I cannot tell you how many times as a pastor people get either upset with me in interpreting scriptures based on biblical hermeneutics, because they don’t deal or want to deal with these communication gaps of the Biblical text. Flat Bible Christians then usually take someone else’s opinion on the Bible that he has written in a book somewhere, and try to get you to change your definitions and delineations of biblical words, phrases, sentences, paragraphs, chapters, and books to become more in line with theirs. Don’t fall for this procedure. It is favorite one of the cults. No one man has all the answers, nor do they understand the totality of Scripture. So the goal is not to get people to our viewpoint but to get each person to God’s viewpoint - God’s intended meaning of the revelation He revealed through the human authors of the Bible. The Bible is the only infallible, inerrant revelation we have from God. Many Flat Bible Christians develop their theology from a starting point of a man’s reason, experience, feelings, or faith. Sound familiar? This is exactly what Mormons do, and what Joseph Smith did. How can you expect to effectively witness to Mormons if you commit the same errors in interpreting the Bible (just in different areas)? The truth is you can’t.
We create a FLAT BIBLE because we give words and phrases the exact same meanings in every location we read them. Do not fall into this trap, or it will really hurt your ability to live the Christian life. Don’t let all meanings be based on your own understandings. Work hard at defining the author’s words and don’t assume he would use words the same way you would. Do biblical exegesis!! I have seen the failure of exegesis hurt people all the time, even when a Christian is passionate about Christ and his word, because they ignore the communication gaps in interpreting Scripture and the sad result is the development of an existential, folk, or tabloid theology. These seemingly passionate Christians have a FLAT BIBLE that will render their witness ineffective to Mormons, religious persons, or secular humanists that commit the same hermeneutical error.
Is There Helpful Solution To Avoid The Flat Bible Fallacy?
So how do we avoid the Flat bible problem? First, we can avoid the flat Bible problem by developing a Humble Biblical Hermeneutic approach that acknowledges that there are communication gaps with any language and any scriptural pericope. The Bible was written over 2,000 years ago in a radically different culture, language, geography, and point in history. 21st Century Americans have a funny tendency to treat everything like the world revolves around us; like we’re the only ones that ever existed, and that everyone in the world and in history acts, talks, walks, and thinks like a 21st century American. We have to fill the language, culture, geography, and history gaps first, before we can ever hope to accurately understand God’s message in Scripture and apply it correctly to our lives today. In other words, If we ever have any expectation of learning how to interpret God’s Word properly and accurately, and if we ever hope to learn how to discern truth from error in the conversations that we have, and in what we read in books, see on television, and hear on the radio - we must learn to scale the language, cultural, geography, and history gap. One must learn that people who believe, use, and teach false doctrines, very often use the exact same terms and phrases as someone who adheres to biblical truth, while ignoring the authorial intent of the words and phrases and denying the sufficiency of Scripture in determining the moral instruction and meaning behind the verse or passage.
Secondly, we can avoid the flat Bible problem by adhering to the good Historical grammatical hermeneutical method. The following points on the good Hermeneutical method come from chapter six of J.I. Packer’s A Quest For Godliness: (The Puritan Vision of the Christian Life. “The soundness of their [Puritan] method is unquestionable; we shall do well to follow in their footsteps” (Packer, 105)):
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1. Interpret Scripture literally and grammatically. Ask yourself: What do these words actually mean? What is the authorial intent of the Author?
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2. Interpret Scripture consistently and harmonistically. Ask yourself: What light do other Scriptures throw on this text? Where and how does it fit into the total biblical revelation?
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3. Interpret Scripture doctrinally and theocentrically. Ask yourself: What truths does it teach about God, and about man in relation to God?
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4. Interpret Scripture christologicly and experimentally. Ask yourself: How are these truths related to the saving work of Christ, and what light does the gospel of Christ throw upon them?
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5. Interpret Scripture experimentally and practically. Ask yourself: What experiences do these truths delineate, or explain, or seek to create or cure? For what practical purposes do they stand in Scripture?
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6. Interpret Scripture with a faithful and realistic application. Ask yourself: How do they apply to myself and others in our actual situation? To what present human condition do they speak, and what are they telling us to believe and do?
Thirdly, we can avoid a flat bible problem by keeping the “Big Picture” in Mind: The Following are some observations about the Whole of Scripture
Big Picture 1: The Bible is a historical document. Therefore, always ask, “What did the author want the original readers to understand by this statement?”
Big Picture 2: The original authors wanted the original readers to respond in some ways. Therefore, always ask, “What application did the original author want the readers to make to their lives?”
Big Picture 3: The whole Bible is about God! Therefore, we should always ask, “What does this text tell us about God?”
Big Picture 4: The center of the whole Bible is Jesus Christ. The entire Old Testament leads up to him and points to him, and the entire New Testament flows from him. Therefore, we should always ask, “What does this text tell us about the greatness of Christ?”
Big Picture 5: All history can be divided into several major “ages” or “epochs” in salvation history. Therefore, we should read every passage of the Bible with a salvation history timeline in our minds and constantly remember where every passage fits on the timeline.
Big Picture 6: Themes: Because the Bible is a unity (it has one divine Author though many human authors), there are many themes that develop and grow from Genesis to Revelation. Therefore, for each significant element in any text, it is helpful to ask, (a) Where did this theme start in the Bible? (b) How did this theme develop through the Bible? and (c) Where is this theme going to end in the Bible?
Fourthly we can avoid the flat Bible problem by treasuring Gospel doctrine as broad and thick rather than minimalistic as many do today. John Piper has said so well:
“Gospel doctrine matters because the good news is so full and rich and wonderful that it must be opened like a treasure chest, and all its treasures brought out for the enjoyment of the world. Doctrine is the description of these treasures. Doctrine describes their true value and why they are so valuable. Doctrine guards the diamonds of the gospel from the pirates who don’t like the diamonds but who make their living trading them for other stones. Doctrine polishes the old gems buried at the bottom of the chest. It puts the jewels of gospel truth in order on the scarlet tapestry of history so each is seen in its most beautiful place.” -John Piper, God is the Gospel
Finally we can avoid the flat bible problem by being Cross centered. Just as every sermon must have a sighting of the hill called Calvary, so too, our witness must bring people (including Mormons) to the cross because each passage of Scripture points us to the cross. In Christ-Centered Preaching, Bryan Chapell writes,
In its context, every passage possesses one or more of four redemptive foci. Every text is predictive of the work of Christ, preparatory for the work of Christ, reflective of the work of Christ, and/or resultant of the work of Christ.
This issue of a flat Bible come into sharp focus when we talk with cults like Mormons who want to flatten out the scriptures based on some other authority than Scripture itself. Let us be diligent to avoid the flat Bible perspective as we look at how this plays out in our witness and interpretation of John 10:30. Part 2, 3, and 4 deal with understanding how the flat Bible fallacy interacts with the different interpretations of John 10:30. I am greatly indebted to by Rob Bowman posts at parchment and Pen blog (www. http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog ) dealing with John 10:30 and the person of Jesus Christ - his 3 posts are entitled: In What Sense Are Jesus and the Father One? Part I: One in Person?, In What Sense Are Jesus and the Father One? Part II: One in Power?, In What Sense Are Jesus and the Father One? Part III: One in Purpose? Calvin’s View. I have added and edited some information of his posts, but the credit for much of the exegesis goes to Rob. Let’s now engage in humble hermeneutics to see how we can combat the Flat Bible problem in interpreting the specific text of John 10:30 as it answers a question concerning the oneness of God, the Father and God, the Son.
End of part 1.

14 Comments, Comment or Ping
Fusion!
Keep ‘em coming. Sad to say, most Christians couldn’t be bothered to really study the Bible. I’ve been blogging about “Knowing Scripture” and sad to say that J.I. Packer’s forward has come to past. People have left and forsaken the Bible and left it to others to do their thinking for them. If they do read it’s only for the experience and the good feelings they get. This is why Packer’s own denomination is in the trouble it’s in. People won’t study, or read the Bible and have let terrible ideas creep in. Keep up the good work, and I hope all of us will play a role in our own churches in teaching people how to read the Bible for all it’s worth. I will have to keep flat Bible in my personal lexicon.
Mar 11th, 2008
agogley
Flat Bible thinking is what drove me away from my seeker church. Somehow in our everyday language we use singular words to express different meanings…we don’t expect the person to whom we are talking to draw their own conclusions…yet for some reason most Christians refuse to recognize this when reading the Bible. And what excuse do we have now for being so ignorant? We are wealthy beyond belief (at least Americans) with more access to Scripture, books, dictionaries, etc. than anybody in the history of human kind. Access is instantaneous and now you can translate nearly every language by simply typing into Google.
Part of the problem, IMHO, is the degradation of education in general. Most high school graduates can’t write at a rudimentary college level. How can you expect them to apply grammatical rules? It’s no wonder people want to interpret Scripture by “letting the Holy Spirit guide us” through some mystical meditational experience.
Mar 11th, 2008
Fusion!
You’re absolutely right!
Mar 11th, 2008
Travis
I understand the principles of hermanutics, my problem is fear. I am affraid of interpreting scripture incorrectly that it hinders me from reading the scripture. I do press through it and am blessed when I take in to count all of scripture or a verse in context to the chapter and chapter in book etc. But I can only speak for myself right now by saying I know so little, do to coming out of Calvary Chapels dispensationalism a few years ago, I dont want to make the same mistake. So it is EASY to take teachers that I have checked with scripture, like Dr. Bob, DA Carson, Mark Driscoll, John piper and live vicariously through thier teachings “knowing a little about a lot of things”
I press through my fear and read scripture Its just hard having a high reguard for scripture and not wanting to misquote or interpret it, that I dont take time and study one subject out and really understand it. BUT
In saying this I have decided to stop listening to this fear and take on the challenge of Romans and understanding the Atonment, Even if it takes me years.
this blog is great because before I take on Romans and Atonment, I am reading Interpreting scripture and this blog, so I can move through romans and the atonement with better knowladge, PRAISE THE LORD FOR THE SPIRIT that moves in all of us. .
Mar 11th, 2008
Linda
This is great informationand I am eagerly looking forward to part 2. Actually tonight in bible study we will be continuing our study on how to read and interpret the scripture.
Someone told me a couple days ago there is no “afterlife” (his word) or heaven, and used terms like “turn to dust” and quoted scripture that used the term “dead” as back up. This guy needs this blog. His bible is so flat all the words fell out.
Travis, I know how you feel, I am fairly new at this and it can feel overwhelming sometimes when you don’t get it the first time…(or second or third as it may be in my case). Prayer and persistance brother…we’ll get there!
Mar 12th, 2008
agogley
Travis: It’s such a blessing and a joy to read your posts! Praise the Lord for you, brother! It’s such a pleasure to be with brothers and sisters who share the same obstacles in our Christian walk. Thank God for Dr. Morey’s ministry, which in God’s goodness, led all of us together to study and learn God’s Word so that we can defend it and share it with others.
Mar 12th, 2008
carhop
This article provides great insight and guidance However, I did squirm a little bit on a part of the J.I. Packer quote that said, “Interpret Scripture literally and grammatically” I think I know what was meant in spite of the way that it was stated.
For example, the trees do not literally clap their hands or God is not a large bird (the shadow of His wings). The Bible is 66 books; some of these books are historical narrative, some apocalyptic, some largely poetic, and etc. We obviously do, or should, analyze the type of literature, as well as the grammar, and consider the other fine points outlined in this article.
Mar 14th, 2008
Stacie
Awesome! I needed these articles very badly. I am dealing with someone who believes that the Holy Spirit makes a verse mean something completely different to different people. I was going to begin studying to answer her this weekend (I am working on answering everything with scripture- I need to know the scriptures first) and this is an amazing way to start.
God is good and has really blessed me with this.
Thanks!
Mar 14th, 2008
Tim
Thanks Pastor Glenn, looking forward to the rest of the installments!
Mar 16th, 2008
David McKay
G’day Carhop
Interpreting Scripture literally does not mean that we take a statement like “All the tree of the field will clap their hands” in a different sense from that in which the original author intended it. It is completely in harmony with interpreting the Scriptures sensibly.
Mar 18th, 2008
Glenn Leatherman
CARHOP,
Thanks for the obersvation about your perception on the word “literal.” Maybe today, we should use the word “plain” when refering to the authroial meaning of a given text (which is what the word literal use to mean,) to better communicate Biblical Hermeneutics today. I don’t believe J.I. Packer meant that employing a literal intepretation would mean that one would not take into consideration metaphors, symbols, illustrations, genre, historical context, social context, allegories, etc. as the author intended.
In my reflection on this, I see that it is the wooden or literal , interpreation (if one defines this as ignoring contextual gaps, genre, and the authroial intent of the passage) that leads to the “Flat Bible Error”.
Mar 20th, 2008
The work and the glory
This morning I read an article stating that“ The unexpectedly large fundraising total raised by Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney in the first quarter of 2007 had less to do with a“ Mormon network” than with the former Massachusetts governor’ s business acumen and strong ties with the financial community nationwide, according to political analysts.”
Mar 23rd, 2008
Travis
Does this have any legitamacy, I just dont have a a lot of time to analyze this.
It is a small blurb on the structure of scripture, placement of verses. Does anyone know?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible#Chapters_and_verses
Mar 24th, 2008
Soisauce001
Fusion pointed me to this blog. Great blog! I’m almost intimidated to write on this blog because of the great minds that are on here. Here are my thoughts on this whole shin-dig.
I agree with Agogley that part of the problem is the educational system in general. Might I offer another part of the problem? I think another reason for “Flat Bible” interpretation is because of weak preaching that is coming from the pulpit in America. The recent trends of being “conversational” as well as the seeker friendly, “topical” preaching are teaching people to put discussion and ideas over the scriptures. Rather than taking the scriptures and SHOWING the people what it says, scripture is used as a proof text to a topic or discussion. Scripture becomes secondary.
I think the exodus from solid Expository Preaching is leaving many congregations in America biblically illiterate. Expository preaching not only illuminates the Word but it also brings the congregation along the journey of illumination. In essence one of the byproducts of consistent expository preaching is that the preacher is teaching the congregation HOW TO READ THEIR BIBLES.
My fear is that this pursuit of being trendy is killing the hearts, minds, and souls of church goers across America.
I’m a Youth Pastor at my church. You’re going to love my background! I’m part of the Vineyard Movement and I go to a Foursquare school. BUT! I’m a recent reformed convert. For the past 2 months I’ve been preaching and expository sermon series out of James and I’ve noticed that the youth in my church are actually beginning to read, memorize and BRING THEIR BIBLES TO CHURCH! *SHOCK*@@. There’s a group of 8 kids that memorized the WHOLE book of James. Many of the kids are beginning to ask VERY good questions that pertain to CONTEXT of a passage. It’s really encouraging. I say all this not to boast (ok maybe a little) but really to point out that if preachers begin to preach solid expository sermons, their listeners begin to get a hunger for God’s words and in the process LEARN how to read.
Thoughts and Comments? Be nice! I’m a noob.
Mar 29th, 2008
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