A Surprise Encounter
On the way back from Spain to LAX, we had a connection at the London airport. Sitting with my wife at the gate waiting for our flight to depart, a large fat man with messy hair, wearing a wrinkled black shirt and black pants, with dark circles under his eyes, ran over to where my wife and I were sitting, leaned over in my face, and shouted, “You are a liar and a thief!”, and then ran away.
Of course, my first thought was that he was Muslim who had recognized me from one of my debates with their leaders. He had that wild-eyed appearance of a mentally off Jihadist.
Anne and I started laughing at such stupidity. I asked her, “What did I steal? Where, when, from whom, and where’s the police report?” Since I did not know who the man was, what was he talking about?
Later on, both of us vaguely remembered that he was that idiot who I exposed as teaching soul sleep heresy. He was so theologically ignorant that he did not even know that was what he was teaching.
In his books he stated that when we die, we are unconscious in the grave until the resurrection. We do not go to heaven at death. This is the classic heresy of the Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses. Click Here to download and read my expose of this man.
Anne and I could not remember his name. But I went on the internet and typed in “Moriel Ministries” and Jacob Prasch popped up. As soon as I saw his picture, I knew that he was the crazy man!
We have had no end of fun thinking of his resume: “well-known ministry for calling people names at airports and then running away.” But we also felt sorry for him. He looked like someone eaten up with bitterness and worry. So, we prayed that God would have mercy on him and lead him to the foot of the cross. He must be a very unhappy man.
This silly man led me to reflect on how to handle crazy people in the church world.
1. The first thing is not to take anything they say personally. Jacob Prasch does not know me personally. I have never stolen a dime from him nor has he ever stolen anything of mine. We have a theological disagreement on the intermediate state between death and resurrection. I believe that I will be with the Lord in heaven when I die and Prasch believes he will be with the worms in the grave. He has the right to believe anything he wants.
2. What is sad is that people like Prasch cannot take criticism of any kind. They can’t handle theological disagreements. That is why he flipped out on me and attacked me personally by calling me silly names.
3. The man obviously remembered me. He was so insignificant to me that I had forgotten all about him. He needs, in the words of Judge Judy, to “get over it.”
4. Since the issue is a minor doctrinal issue, we forgot all about it. Heresies come and go all the time. But, evidently, he is still angry and depressed that he was “outed” for heresy. While he was seething with anger, Anne and I were out dancing in Spain. That is something to learn early on in the ministry. Bitterness only hurts you. While you stew in bile juices, the person you are angry at is out dancing!
5. Learn how to forgive people at once. We forgave Jacob Prasch immediately. We must bless those who curse us. We must wish good for those who wish us evil. If I could have done a kind deed for Prasch, eg. a cup of cold water, I would have done so. But he ran away.
6. I wonder why David Hocking still has this man speak at his conference. His long time friend, Ed S., confirmed that Jacob Prasch was teaching soul sleep. But Dave stands and falls before his own Master and he may be trying to help Prasch. And, God knows, he needs all the help he can get!
7. Lastly, don’t become bitter when people say all manner of evil against you falsely because of your stand for Christ and His Word. Go on and live life to the fullest to the glory of God. Take insults as compliments. You must be doing something right for the devil to have such a fit over you. Since I have been stealing souls from the devil for thirty-five years, it is no surprise that he calls me a thief!
28 Comments, Comment or Ping
Becky
This is very amusing Dr. Bob. I’m always amazed when people can’t let things go. They seeth and the other person takes a while to even know what they are talking about. Praise God for peace & forgiveness!
Oct 30th, 2007
Reformed Mama
Excellent, encouraging words Dr. Bob!Number 5 is especially helpful…forgive at once!
Oct 30th, 2007
miriam franklin
Dr Morey
I googled you as you have made some valuable points that have been quoted on other sites. However, (and this is not a defence of Jacob Prasch who I do not know beyond having heard his name OR his alleged outburst at the airport) I do not think it either wise or kind of you to call him an ‘idiot’ and ‘theologically ignorant’ (even if you think this is what he is). It does not alter my view of Prasch, but it does of you…it makes you a much lesser man in my view.
Respectfully,
http://www.endtimespropheticwords.com
Oct 31st, 2007
miriam franklin
ps
If you were to judge many ministers by their appearance while travelling on long haul flights - dark circles under their eyes, wrinkled clothes, messy hair, possibly unkempt appearance - as to overweight, we cannot all be gorgeous looking Californians - then by your standards these ministers may be ‘wild’ and ‘mentally off’ also even if they said nothing.
If the man attacked you verbally then report that, but do not mock or slur him for his unkempt or unattractive appearance (in your view), and to heavily bias the reporting of this incident by such ridicule is not righteous. This is below the belt. Thank God, God judges the heart and not outward appearances.
Oct 31st, 2007
Dr. Robert Morey
Dear Miriam,
Since Jacob lives in London, I doubt he was tired. I was referring to the look of someone burdened with guilt and bitterness.
Where in the Bible is giving a true description of someone condemned as sin? Is political correction the basis of your condemnation?
I have been in ministry for thirty-five years and I have seen the physical effects of a bitter spirit on people’s face. He looks like a sad pathetic man who needs forgiveness in his life. I described what he looked like because that is what he looked like when he ran up to us.
What concerns me is that you are more upset with my realistic description of him than his unbiblical actions.
Oct 31st, 2007
Mark Kiser
Dr. Morey,
Thank you for sharing the “Soul Sleep Heresy” document. I look forward to studying it.
I was raised in the Worldwide Church of God (Armstrongism)and as you know they taught the soul sleep heresy. I’m happy to report that by the grace of God he lead my wife and I out of this cult. Unfortunately, my parents and in-laws still maintain those doctrines in a splinter group.
My first resource from you was “Is the Sabbath for Today?” and I was blessed with a greater understanding of this subject. I’m currently studying your “Battle of the Ages” seminar. I consider myself a Dispensationalist but am studying the Calvinist position for the first time with an open mind. I visited Books-a-Million yesterday to find a book on John Calvin and they told me they didn’t carry anything on him! That didn’t surprise me. But hey, if you want something on Islam they’ve dedicated a whole bookshelf on the subject.
I like the new website and blog. I look forward to studying more of your resources.
Nov 1st, 2007
Joseph D'Hippolito
Miriam, you must remember that Bob is not about Christianity; he’s about self-promotion under the guise of “Reformation theology.” He’s nothing but an adolescent bully who refuses to grow up. He will never acknowledge legitimate criticism like yours.
Nov 1st, 2007
Stephen Macasil
Go to the comments section of the Mother Teresa article. It is so funny. There is someone playing a prank on us, we just don’t know who it is yet. But they’re masquerading as a journalist from the L.A. Times and USA TODAY: Joseph D’Hippolito.
Nov 2nd, 2007
Joseph D'Hippolito
No, Stephen, it’s no prank. BTW, I don’t write for the L.A. Times.
Nov 2nd, 2007
miriam franklin
Dr Morey
This is nothing to do with political correctness. I say what I say because I thought what you said, and more the spirit you said it in, was wrong.
I also said I was not defending Prasch. I did not indicate that what you did was worse that what he allegedly did (You assume wrongly this), but I am writing on YOUR blog not Prasch’s and I am addressing you - I thought you were wrong. You must also know two wrongs do not make a right, and you cannot point at someone else and go ‘yeah but they were worse’. That is not righteous and like the bahaviour of two naughty schoolboys!
But you poked fun at far more than his face! You drew attention to his body, his hair, his clothes, his weight….
You know as well as I do, that the true motivation for your article was to poke fun at, and ridicule, Jacob Prasch. (Does this mean you have not really forgiven Prasch?) This is why you used the choice phrases you did, and loaded the article in such a way with the negative references to his appearance so as to poke fun at him still more and appear even more slanted - otherwise why mention in such a negative way his weight etc? It is also not just what you said but the way you said it, the whole slant or ’spirit’ of the article.
While it may be the ‘truth’ that Jacob was scruffy, overweight etc, to judge him and poke fun at him for this in itself was wrong. Elijah ridiculed and mocked and was sarcastic but he did this based on truth or beliefs, never on people’s appearances. I cannot think of one scripture where appearance for itself was ever mocked, but many scriptures rebuking judging by appearances.
For the record, I probably look like a bag lady when on long haul flights at either the beginning or end of the travel, but it would be wrong for you to judge my heart/spirit/character based on how I look. I also am overweight. So I like Prasch would be scruffy, overweight and tired at an airport terminal, possibly with messy hair also, but I am not eaten up with bitterness, just a tired traveller.
Also it was a bit strong to call him an ‘idiot’ and ‘theologically ignorant’ etc. I have since looked quickly at his website and he is obviously an intelligent man as well as not being theologically ignorant. Might not be 100% perfect on his theology, and know it all, but who is?
If you wanted to write an article talking about the blessings of forgiveness and not to be bitter, this was not a good one, as it made you look mean spirited and like I said a much lesser man. It was more of let’s poke fun at Prasch. Perhaps you might want to edit your article if you did not truly mean it the way it conveys to a neutral observer - that is mean spirited.
As for unbiblical actions by Jacob, without being there or knowing the history apart from your slanted and biased rendition, it is hard to comment, but even you have testified ‘Where in the Bible is giving a true description of someone condemned as sin?’
It MAY be that Jacob was right to rebuke you. I did a google search on you, and while I know not everything on the internet is true by any means, there are several negative things written about your character and integrity. Whilst I cannot say if they are true or not, if true, it MAY be Prasch was right to rebuke you ‘prophetically’. Many prophets are frequently called ‘bitter’, ‘judgmental’ or ‘divisive’ by their detractors when this is not true - they just speak the truth boldy when truth is not welcomed. Or maybe Jacob was totally wrong and lied and is a throughly nasty piece of work and slandered you…but like I said even if so, this was not about him but about you.
You would have looked a bigger man if you’d more kindly worded the article.
Nov 2nd, 2007
Stephen Macasil
Miriam,
You may not agree, but it is biblical to include appearance when mocking unrighteousnes men.
Here’s one example:
See matthew 23:5b
Jesus is taking advantage of a public event to mock the Pharisees and Scribes. He points out their self-righteousness based on the appearance of their phylacteries and fringes. This would have certainly left the crowds laughing, and the offenders stewing in bitter anger! Remember, they were so ticked off that they killed Him.
So, when you said “I cannot think of one scripture where appearance for itself was ever mocked,” I immediately thought of this one.
If you would like for me to provide more, then please ask and I will be happy to do so.
When Paul rebuked Peter to his face (Gal. 2:11), he did not turn around and run away.
While considering the morality of Dr. Morey’s article, this text came to mind. But as we see in the verses that follow, Paul rebuked Peter and ended in doxology.
Nov 2nd, 2007
Reformed Mama
Miriam,
No comment on #1-7?
Nov 2nd, 2007
Dr. Robert Morey
Miriam,
Your last post was most revealing. It gets to the heart of your political correctness. In your own words you believe that it is wrong “to poke fun at, and ridicule” people. This even includes false prophets, false apostles, and false teachers.
You think that we should always be “nice” and “sweet” and never hurt people’s feelings. Calling someone an idiot or fool would be wrong.
In my CD lecture, And God Mocked Them, I document from Scripture that God, the prophets, the apostles, and Jesus all mocked and ridiculed people and called them “stupid,” “fools,” etc. To order it, call 800-41-TRUTH. Since I go through dozens of biblical passages in that sermon, I ask you to order it and listen to it with a Bible in your hand.
Miriam, biblical Christianity is for the tough minded. You would have to condemn God, Jesus, the apostles, and the prophets because they did in fact “poke fun at, and ridicule” people all the time. This means you violated Scripture when you condemned me for poking fun at and ridiculing people.
This is the last time I will try to get you to think biblically instead of PC. A “blog” is a truthful account of your thoughts and concerns. It is biographical in nature and not meant to be a theological tome. I simply walk as Jesus walked and that means, “to poke fun at, and ridicule” people as He did.
You need to repent of violating Scripture and submit to the Word of God. You owe me, God, Jesus, the prophets, and the apostles an apology. I have moved on in blogging and I leave you with your Bible to learn why you were wrong in your thinking.
Nov 3rd, 2007
Mario
Interesting to note that Elijah the prophet while doing the will of God was bold in the face of opposition. While Obadiah was worried about his “master” (Ahab) putting him to death, Elijah says to Obadiah, “go tell your master Elijah is here.” The story goes on as Ahab calls Elijah a “troubler of Israel.” Elijah, fearless, says to Ahab, “I have not made trouble for Israel but you and your family have.” Read the passage. In verse 27, Elijah begins to mock. (1 Kings 18)
How will Christians stand today in the face of adversity? Amazing how people don’t realize the Lord Jesus came offending the most religious, as He proclaimed the truth! They hated him so much they murdered Him! The same goes for the prophets and the apostles! Just think about! What happened to them?
“Christians” today think a pastor is supposed to “loved” look like a big grandpa and offend no one. That’s it yeah, just like good ol’ Joel Osteen! Problem is, when adversity hits and true persecution comes, who will stand for the cause of God and truth?
Christian, when that time comes when you are pressured to stand for Christ as Elijah was, will you be as Peter in the courtyard denying Him? If so, you better hope you are in union with Christ, and Christ shows you the grace Peter was shown! If you’re just playing religion, may you examine yourself and not end up like Judas. When the world seeks to shut your faith down, what will you do? May you live out Jude 3 even in the face of death! It is far better to have the smile of God over the smile of man!
Nov 4th, 2007
miriam franklin
Stephen Macasil:
I personally would break down and differentiate ‘appearance’ and ‘dress’ (as for instance there are scriptures that tell us to dress decently and not with lavish pearls etc).
Please also note the key point which was appearance ‘for itself’.
Jesus did not criticise the pharisees for what they wore, it was their hypocrisy while wearing it he was condemning, basing things on outward appearances and not the heart - eg just like cleaning the outer part of the cup and not the inner. The former action was not wrong, but their heart and attitude was. Jesus did not at all judge by appearance, and I do not see him being blunt to ALL pharisees that dressed like this, just the hypocrits.
Jesus also had a point to make -rebuking hypocrisy. He did not poke fun for the sake of it or with any mean spirit, and he did not mention things that were not pertinant to the points raised. He was not biased.
I have not justified Jacob as I do not know the full facts apart fom reading a biased and slanted article renditioning Dr Morey’s side of the story. As a NEUTRAL observer, I merely point out that Jacob may have been right and his ‘running away’ may not have quite been as reported by Dr Morey. Or it may have been, I do not know and have said this to be fair to both parties. It may also be both parties were wrong.
Nov 4th, 2007
miriam franklin
Reformed Mama: I am not writing some sort of a theological essay commentating on every aspect of Dr Morey’s article, this was not my intention.
Nov 4th, 2007
miriam franklin
Dr. Robert Morey:
I thought that you were an academic, and also an intelligent man, but it appears that you are willing to blatantly twist my words and intentions to say something I have never said, which is not ‘academic’ or even fair, and then to start throwing mud at me.
You are going on the utmost defence and throwing things at me now, all because I said you were wrong to use unkind words and bias against your brother in Christ in this instance. This unrighteous response from you, really does show your true character: your lack of discernment (about me) and lack of spirituality and integrity in this regard, as well as also your arrogance to continue to insist you have said and done nothing wrong. I was neutral before, but now, frankly, I do not rate you at all highly because of this lack of godliness.
I have NEVER said one cannot ‘mock or taunt’ if the Spirit of God empowers one to do so. (However it was NOT the Holy Spirit that empowered you to write the words you did in this article and YOU know this as do I!). I even said Elijah taunted on Mount Carmel, and Paul called the Galatians ‘foolish’ etc. If you read my blog, you would see I use choice words in context and call a spade a spade and have called people ‘fools’ or ‘foolish’ when it is perfectly justified and in context. But I will not then go on to poke fun at the spade because it is overweight or scruffy etc as you did. (I am aware of the scriptures, don’t patronise me and assume I am ‘theoligically ignorant’ and label me thus cos I have another opinion or criticise you.)
Nobody knowing me or reading my blog could ever accuse me of being politically correct - even you! (I actually looked you up because you are one of the few people to speak against President Bush’s apostasy so kudos to you for this.)
However, I did say that the prophets, apostles etc never mocked for appearance in itself, or in the mean spirited fashion that you appeared to. They kept to the facts! If I critise you I will do it based on the facts and not based on your appearance. I thus do not owe you an apology as I discern the true motivation with your war of words on Jaob Prasch and the lack of righteousness there is there in that regard (as well as your denial.) You might think you can pretend otherwise but God is not a fool. Do you know the scriptures about lying to the Holy Spirit? Examine yourself before saying you acted purely and righteously with no wrongful motive as God and I know you did not!
You accuse me of not thinking biblically with zero evidence for this, Dr Morey. You just do not like what I have said, the fact I have dared to criticise you (note not ‘condemn’ you) and I was far gentler than you have been with me. Isn’t there scripture about not being hasty and jumping to assumptions or falsely accusing a brother or sister of something? Would you like to start thinking Biblically also?
I note you ignored most of the actual points I made before.
Would you also like to comment on the comments made about you on various key websites with regard to your lack of integrity, as this may be pertinant as to whether you are indeed a liar and/or a thief?
>I simply walk as Jesus walked
Wow! Really?! You are not a sinner like me then?
So what? That’s no excuse to sin or do wrong.
Mario: the gospel is offensive. I am all for being a troubler of Israel if you need to stand for truth. But that is not the point and your points raised are really nothing to do with this instance. This is not a case of being offensive in proclaiming truth in the face of persecution! This is nothing to do with Dr Moray righteously ‘troubling’ anybody. It is, I believe, to do with him being mean spirited and unfair in his article, and now lacking integrity in attacking me.
Nov 4th, 2007
Stephen Macasil
Miriam, I said: “You may not agree, but it is biblical to include appearance when mocking unrighteousnes men.” Key word “include.”
You claim to be a NEUTRAL observer, something that I would never say, but in several places you demonstrate that you are not NEUTRAL.
You actually lean more towards a SKEPTIC than a NEUTRAL observer. I mention that to you because from your own words which I will quote from clearly display that you are more of a SKEPTIC.
Simply defined, a skeptic has an attitude of doubt or a disposition to incredulity either in general or toward a particular object or person.
If you do not know the full facts, then on what objective criterion do you come to the final conclusion that Dr. Morey’s article is biased and slanted. Are not your comments equally biased and slanted?
You also said: “Jesus did not criticise the pharisees for what they wore, it was their hypocrisy while wearing it he was condemning, basing things on outward appearances and not the heart - eg just like cleaning the outer part of the cup and not the inner.”
I suggest that you study this passage further, maybe get a different commentary or two, and look up phylacteries and fringes in a Bible dictionary. Your paraphrase does not reflect sound exegesis. The appearance of these two items are made fun of, not merely their hypocricy while wearing them. Notice how Jesus describes these items as “how broad” and “how long.” He is addressing the items that the Pharisees wore in order to appear externally righteous. It’s like when I drive by the Crystal Cathedral every day on my way home, I joke with my wife about the size of the tower and steeple and say: “Look babe, the giant middle finger of Orange County!”
Dr. Morey already pointed you to Scripture and I will do the same. Go back and study the passages and glorify God in all things!
Nov 4th, 2007
Mario
This really needs to be put to rest. The point here is that Dr. Morey is standing for the truth. The Lord uses us all who are made up of different personalities. The article states that this man came up to Dr. Morey and his wife and called him a liar and a thief. If you new the grace Dr. Morey extended to Jacob from the start, you would have a different opinion. Dr. Morey allowed Jacob to come into his church and teach on a Monday night and took an offering for his (Jacob’s) ministry. After the service Jacob had a book table allowed by Dr. Morey which by the way sold hundreds of dollars in merchandise. It was discovered after the this that (Jacob Prasch) believed in soul sleep. There is much more here you don’t know. Who was originally rudely confronted while on vacation? Dr. Morey and his wife. Are you addressing this. No. “Mean spiritedness has nothing to do with being godly.” Godly people are imperfect yet we know God uses crooked sticks to draw straight lines. I’m sure we all fall into this category many times in our lives. I’m quite sure the Pharisees and many others thought Christ and the apostles were “mean spirited” which is why they were all put to death. They in fact irritated people. In the end they were there in that time to accomplish the mission. And so here we are today, striving to accomplish the mission God has set before us, in spite of ourselves.
Nov 4th, 2007
Stephen Macasil
Mario, good point(s). Miriam seems to be diverting attention to off-topic issues in order to obscure the issues at hand.
Prasch ran up to Morey and shouted insults in his face, then ran off. When I first heard this, I must admit, I never questioned it. Partly because of the article on Moriel’s website, a very dishonest representation of the situation. The PDF e-booklet that contains the correspondance between Morey and Prasch reveals the character of Jacob Prasch. Morey was adressing what Prasch wrote in his book, and Prasch kept evading it, making it intop something else. All one needs to do is download the e-booklet above and take 15 minutes to read it!
Nov 4th, 2007
Reformed Mama
Miriam, I was simply pointing out that you missed the treasure in Dr. Bob’s writing because you got caught up in his description of Jacob. Such as #5 “Learn how to forgive people…at once.”
Nov 4th, 2007
miriam franklin
Reformed Mama:
I did not ‘miss the treasure in Dr Bob’s writing’ - I read all he wrote on. It was the ’spirit’ of the article as a whole, and Dr Bob’s true intention at heart when wording it that I felt was wrong. I also feel crucially that he was being a tad hypocritical in writing this article on forgiveness because it is evident to me he holds ill feeling towards Prasch (rightly or wrongly by man’s standards, perhaps Prasch has given him reason to but that is no excuse to be unrighteous back) and took a swipe below the belt at him by unrighteously poking fun (in this instance).
Stephen Macasil:
So righteousness and lack of integrity is off topic now? - hmm. I’ll point YOU back to the Bible, Sir!
I am not trying to obscure any issues at all.
I have never once said Jacob Prasch was right if what he is alleged to have done in the way it was said it was done is correct. I am not defending him. I merely said that Prasch MAY have been biblically correct in what he said and did if we had an unbiased reporting of the incident. There are also people other than Prasch claiming things about Dr Morey on the web with regard to his lack of integrity etc, I do not say these things are true as I know lies exist on the web, I merely point out this fact that other people claim Dr Morey to be a ‘thief’ and ‘liar’ so there is a possibility Jacob spoke the truth and was right to rebuke him, which is why I asked Dr Morey to comment on these allegations. I also said that Prasch may have been completely wrong and lying, I did not know, but as I keep repeating two wrongs do not make a right. It was no excuse, even if Dr Morey was grievously sinned against by Prasch, to mock him like this in the article. It did make him a lesser man.
I do not know why you cannot see that I am plainly addressing Dr Bob for his side of the bargain as it is Dr Bob’s blog I am commentating on. If I were on Prasch’s log I’d address him for his part almost exclusively and not mention Dr Bob so much.
I know there is bad blood between these two. I read part of the pdf. But that is no excuse to mock appearances in the manner done.
You use a bad definition of a ’skeptic’, Stephen, I have already made it quite clear why I thought the article was biased and slanted to poke fun at Prasch - eg the comments about his weight and the things he poked fun at that were not relevant to the facts. Even if Prasch were a dodgy character and sinned, this is no excuse to poke fun at his weight etc.
You really are being patronising as well as misunderstanding the point of these passages yourself. The appearance of these things are made fun of, NOT for themselves in themselves only (MY POINT), but because they reflect the religious hypocrisy of these men, ’showing off’ before men, being proud, self righteous and concentrating on religious ritual, external appearances and not scrutinising their heart and the attitudes and getting them clean (or caring about them)….that is the point, just as with the cleaning of the outside of the cup. (Jesus does not have anything against the activity of cleaning religious cups in themselves, but he would have if we used your poor interpretation!) Jesus could not have cared less about the ‘long and broad phylactery and fringes’ in themselves for themselves - they meant nothing, neither did he mock them for themselves - it was the attitude of the wearers - and someone with a right spirit wearing them would not have been mocked by him or the apostles.
The pharisees’ dress and appearance while fasting was mentioned because it was relevant to Jesus topic of hypocrisy and their dress and actions reflected this hypocrisy. Even you then say ‘He is addressing the items that the Pharisees wore in order to appear externally righteous.’ That is the point.
Dr Morey has NOT shown how Jacob’s weight and scruffy appearance, unkempt hair etc, reflect Jacob’s sin or unrighteous attitude in this instance, so they should not have been mentioned in such sarcastic tones. They are included only to mock for the sake of it, not to make a point.
Elijah mocked and taunted the false Gods, not people’s appearances. There is a huge differance!
‘Then they called on the name of Baal from morning till noon. “O Baal, answer us!” they shouted. But there was no response; no one answered. And they danced around the altar they had made.
At noon Elijah began to taunt them. “Shout louder!” he said. “Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.” I Kings 18:26b-27
Now according to Dr Morey it would be ok for Elijah to have said: ‘Shout louder you fat and lazy prophets of Baal! See your spotty faces covered with pimples and blemishes and your leprous hands! Look at your clothes, you haven’t washed for how many weeks? And the dark circles under your eyes are hideous….’
This is my point, Dr Morey, you went beyond where you should have.
Lastly I gave the wrong link before for my blog, thanks Stephen for point this out, it is
http://www.endtimespropheticwords.com
Nov 5th, 2007
miriam franklin
Wrong link again, sorry, I keep kissing out the wordpress:
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com
Nov 5th, 2007
Dr. Morey
Miriam,
Looking over your blogs from the beginning, it is obvious that you missed the point of my blog. You went off on a wild goose chase because you look a fat bag lady. That is how you described yourself. Thus your psychological problem of self-image that was the underlying problem.
To all who tried to help Miriam, you and I learned a good lesson. When you try to deal with someone who is mentally off balance, arguing from Scripture or logic will not prevail. It is a waste of time. Miriam no doubt has been or is now on medication for being bi-polar or some other illness. It is best not to deal with mentally ill people who are not capable of rational thought. I hereby declare this issue mute.
Just pray for Miriam that she takes her medication and gets balanced. And in the future when a menatlly ill person writes a response, don’t take the bait.
Dec 15th, 2007
Colin Donington
Just how should we deal with those who are “troublers of Israel”?
Paul may well have been very offensive to those “dogs and mutilators” and pronounced excommunications and anathemas.
Is it appropriate for us or even for Dr Morey or Jacob Prasch.
Regarding the latter, it does seem that he can’t take his own (in my view) worldy medicine.
It’s his character and behaviour taht puts me off his theology.
Immature of me? Well, it can’t be helped.
I do know a couple who have found a spiritual home with Moriel. At last they have found someone who doesn’t take prisoners and seems to give all the answers. They’ve found assurance, that here all the i’s are dooted and the t’s crossed.
They now know who’s sound and who’s in error
Dec 24th, 2007
Jean Cauvin
Hi,
You have got to be kidding me. Jacob Prasch? You use to be friends with Prasch. He is a buddy of David Hawkings.
Does Hawkings know of this heresy?
I knew Prasch was a little out there (he preaches with his socks on).
Upon reading this I am shocked and amused and saddened all at the same time.
Jean Cauvin
May 14th, 2008
Sandra
Miriam never said she was fat. She said she was overweight. One can be overweight without being fat. What is the point in saying fat when that is not what she said. What is the point of calling another christian mentally ill when you do not know it to be true? I guess you are a psychologist? And you personally evaluated her unbiased and not based upon pride? This feels a little too much like high school instead of a “Christian” blog.
Nov 6th, 2008
Sandra
BTW, I do not glean from your post that you were trying to be mean spirited to Jacob, but it’s obvious you were reacting with childish behavior towards your sister in Christ, Miriam. Whether she was wrong or not she did not treat you with mean spiritedness, although you did with her.
Nov 6th, 2008
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