Comments on: A Foretaste of the Book on Natural Theology http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/ Biblical Christianity Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:16:27 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Kyle Dodson http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/comment-page-1/#comment-7742 Kyle Dodson Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:17:57 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/#comment-7742 I think Dr. Morey should write a book about Norman Geislers book Chosen But Free. I think Dr. Morey should write a book about Norman Geislers book Chosen But Free.

]]> By: Jean Cauvin http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/comment-page-1/#comment-3830 Jean Cauvin Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:20:09 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/#comment-3830 One last note: I have read enough of your work to know that you know what you're talking about. This would just avoid the logical fallacy of equivication. Just a structural critic. Respectully, Jean Cauvin One last note: I have read enough of your work to know that you know what you’re talking about. This would just avoid the logical fallacy of equivication.

Just a structural critic.

Respectully,

Jean Cauvin

]]> By: Jean Cauvin http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/comment-page-1/#comment-3829 Jean Cauvin Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:16:49 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/#comment-3829 Dr. Morey, I understand what your're saying about humanism. And to some degree you are absolutely right. Though the community I am part of now has a classicial grammar school based off of Dorthy Sayers' writings on education. Dorthy Sayers I believe was a non-christian (they disagree). The group that adopts her thinking (in education) are mainstream reformed. In fact, if I said their names, they would probably be well known (among reformed circiles) This Reformed church and classical school teach in the mode of "Christian Humananism." However, they do NOT claim autonomy and actually argue their faith along the line of Van Til's apologetics. Christian Education in terms of humanism is simply the study of the humanities. Their philosophical system is that Education is the means to a moral lifestyle (I disagree on this point). Christian humanist historically speaking was a reaction to scholasticism (e.g. Aquinas, Duns Scotus, etc). (I too hate scholasticism) So yes, while humanism is humanism, their is a very fine distinction between secular humanism (autonomy), Christian humanist (autonomy) and Christian humanist (theonomy) in the 21st century. The hermenutical principle of "usus loquendi" is all that I have in mind here. Christian humanism has eroded systems of theonomist thought. Their is a distinction, though perhaps it is such a specific detail it's not worth mentioning. As a scholar it would just deem fitting to distinguish. If that is not your intent, then the adjective "autonomist" humanist would suffice the ambiguity. Looking forward to reading it when it comes out. Jean Cauvin Dr. Morey,

I understand what your’re saying about humanism. And to some degree you are absolutely right. Though the community I am part of now has a classicial grammar school based off of Dorthy Sayers’ writings on education.

Dorthy Sayers I believe was a non-christian (they disagree). The group that adopts her thinking (in education) are mainstream reformed. In fact, if I said their names, they would probably be well known (among reformed circiles)

This Reformed church and classical school teach in the mode of “Christian Humananism.” However, they do NOT claim autonomy and actually argue their faith along the line of Van Til’s apologetics.

Christian Education in terms of humanism is simply the study of the humanities. Their philosophical system is that Education is the means to a moral lifestyle (I disagree on this point). Christian humanist historically speaking was a reaction to scholasticism (e.g. Aquinas, Duns Scotus, etc). (I too hate scholasticism)

So yes, while humanism is humanism, their is a very fine distinction between secular humanism (autonomy), Christian humanist (autonomy) and Christian humanist (theonomy) in the 21st century.

The hermenutical principle of “usus loquendi” is all that I have in mind here. Christian humanism has eroded systems of theonomist thought.

Their is a distinction, though perhaps it is such a specific detail it’s not worth mentioning. As a scholar it would just deem fitting to distinguish. If that is not your intent, then the adjective “autonomist” humanist would suffice the ambiguity.

Looking forward to reading it when it comes out.

Jean Cauvin

]]> By: Reformed Mama http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/comment-page-1/#comment-3719 Reformed Mama Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:49:51 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/#comment-3719 Dear Dr. Bob~ I can't imagine the pain that you and Anne have experienced with the wickedness that has been done to you. I'm glad you are journaling your biography because I think it will be an encouragement to the "young preacher boys", as you like to say , when they grow up to have thier own churches. Solomon was right there really is "nothing new under the sun"! Our family sends a big hug to you today...we are so thankful to our God who has given us you and Anne. You have taught us well, encouraged us mightily and modeled God's Sovereignty tirelessly. We are with you...God's grace Dear Dr. Bob~

I can’t imagine the pain that you and Anne have experienced with the wickedness that has been done to you.

I’m glad you are journaling your biography because I think it will be an encouragement to the “young preacher boys”, as you like to say , when they grow up to have thier own churches. Solomon was right there really is “nothing new under the sun”!

Our family sends a big hug to you today…we are so thankful to our God who has given us you and Anne. You have taught us well, encouraged us mightily and modeled God’s Sovereignty tirelessly.

We are with you…God’s grace

]]> By: Dr. Morey http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/comment-page-1/#comment-3713 Dr. Morey Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:10:37 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/#comment-3713 Dear Brothers, It has come to my attention that a new "Liars Club" out there in slander-land and gossip-hill is claiming that I am not writing a book on on Natural Theology! If you run across these liars, rebuke them in the name of Jesus. Some of you have even proof read chapters for me. Remember, all liars shall have their place in the lake of fire. (Rev. 21:8). In obedience to the Word, I do not consider the "Legion of Doom" members, (eg. Joel, Clark, Tom, etc.) fellow-Christians. As long as they continue to run their "Liars Club," they give no evidence of regeneration. When the book comes out, they will no doubt say I did not write it! They would not know the truth if it jumped up and bit them! This is why I have been writing an autobiography for several years. It will give the sad truth about such people for the historical record. They will be remembered in church history for their hatred of my ministry and their lies, slander, and gossip. Dear Brothers,
It has come to my attention that a new “Liars Club” out there in slander-land and gossip-hill is claiming that I am not writing a book on on Natural Theology! If you run across these liars, rebuke them in the name of Jesus. Some of you have even proof read chapters for me.
Remember, all liars shall have their place in the lake of fire. (Rev. 21:8).
In obedience to the Word, I do not consider the “Legion of Doom” members, (eg. Joel, Clark, Tom, etc.) fellow-Christians. As long as they continue to run their “Liars Club,” they give no evidence of regeneration. When the book comes out, they will no doubt say I did not write it! They would not know the truth if it jumped up and bit them!
This is why I have been writing an autobiography for several years. It
will give the sad truth about such people for the historical record. They
will be remembered in church history for their hatred of my ministry and their lies, slander, and gossip.

]]> By: Dr. Morey http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/comment-page-1/#comment-3712 Dr. Morey Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:48:25 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/#comment-3712 Dear Jean, As Van Til and Schaeffer use to say, "Humanism is humanism regardless of how you dress it up!" Religioius (i.e. Christian) humanism is secular humanism with some religious terminology as window dressing. All those who believe in human autonomy, ontolgical thinking, that man is the Measure of all things, and the Origin of truth, justice, morals, meaning, and beauty are HUMANISTS. I realize that the word "humanism" has various meanings from giving a piece of bread to the poor. But, in theology and philosopy, the issue is who is the Measure and the Origin? God or man. Those who side with humanity are humanists. Dear Jean,
As Van Til and Schaeffer use to say, “Humanism is humanism regardless of how you dress it up!” Religioius (i.e. Christian) humanism is secular humanism with some religious terminology as window dressing. All those who believe in human autonomy, ontolgical thinking, that man is the Measure of all things, and the Origin of truth, justice, morals, meaning, and beauty are HUMANISTS.
I realize that the word “humanism” has various meanings from giving a piece of bread to the poor. But, in theology and philosopy, the issue is who is the Measure and the Origin? God or man. Those who side with humanity are humanists.

]]> By: Jean Cauvin http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/comment-page-1/#comment-3669 Jean Cauvin Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:14:23 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/#comment-3669 John Owen has a lot to say on this subject. Pick up his Biblical Theology work that came available in 1994. It is separate from his set. Though a technical glance. When you discuss humanism, you should use the adjective "secular" Humanism. Case in point that Christian Humanism was a reaction (during the reformation) to the scholastics. Luther was trained in humanism (though didn't care for it) as was Calvin (who used it in his writings), and of course C.S. Lewis and Dorthy Sayers were humanists (though probably not Christians). Though I believe both are essentially bad, one is absolutely anti-thetical to the other. So I recommend an analysis of this dichotomy since some Christians humanists adhere to natural theology, and while the Christians who are not christians humanists (like yourself) don't. This is a categorical (taxonomy) which I don't think you may have considered. Respectfully, Jean Cauvin. John Owen has a lot to say on this subject. Pick up his Biblical Theology work that came available in 1994. It is separate from his set.

Though a technical glance. When you discuss humanism, you should use the adjective “secular” Humanism.

Case in point that Christian Humanism was a reaction (during the reformation) to the scholastics. Luther was trained in humanism (though didn’t care for it) as was Calvin (who used it in his writings), and of course C.S. Lewis and Dorthy Sayers were humanists (though probably not Christians).

Though I believe both are essentially bad, one is absolutely anti-thetical to the other.

So I recommend an analysis of this dichotomy since some Christians humanists adhere to natural theology, and while the Christians who are not christians humanists (like yourself) don’t. This is a categorical (taxonomy) which I don’t think you may have considered.

Respectfully,

Jean Cauvin.

]]> By: Frank http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/comment-page-1/#comment-2020 Frank Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:43:37 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/#comment-2020 May God bless you in the writing of this book. Darwinian anthropology has long troubled me. Its proponents, who view primitive tribes as remnants of man's evolutionary climb toward a higher culture, often want these primitive areas preserved. An example is Margaret Mead, author of Coming of Age in Samoa. After finding nothing objectionable to the sexual promiscuity of Samoan teenagers, she later opposed the work of Christian missionaries who persuaded the Samoans to repent of their immorality. Darwinian anthropology opposes the great commission, which includes our Lord's command to teach disciples to observe His every command. God, in contrast, wants us to bless the nations, not leave them as they are. May your book be an encouragement to all who spread the Gospel. May God bless you in the writing of this book. Darwinian anthropology has long troubled me. Its proponents, who view primitive tribes as remnants of man’s evolutionary climb toward a higher culture, often want these primitive areas preserved. An example is Margaret Mead, author of Coming of Age in Samoa. After finding nothing objectionable to the sexual promiscuity of Samoan teenagers, she later opposed the work of Christian missionaries who persuaded the Samoans to repent of their immorality.

Darwinian anthropology opposes the great commission, which includes our Lord’s command to teach disciples to observe His every command. God, in contrast, wants us to bless the nations, not leave them as they are. May your book be an encouragement to all who spread the Gospel.

]]> By: Will http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/comment-page-1/#comment-2015 Will Wed, 13 Feb 2008 05:34:56 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/#comment-2015 Without God as the Origin, we're just like that horrible 70's song states: "...dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind..." Such bilge. Sadly, this is the theology that children are being indoctrinated with in America today. Without God as the Origin, we’re just like that horrible 70’s song states: “…dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind…” Such bilge. Sadly, this is the theology that children are being indoctrinated with in America today.

]]> By: Jesus Saenz http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/comment-page-1/#comment-1991 Jesus Saenz Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:14:13 +0000 http://biblicalthought.com/blog/a-foretaste-of-the-book-on-natural-theology/#comment-1991 I have been waiting anxiously for this book since my homie, Gene Cook interviewed Dr. Morey on this topic. @Will, pretty funny... I just got an image of a Beatnik reading of some of Dr. Morey's work I have been waiting anxiously for this book since my homie, Gene Cook interviewed Dr. Morey on this topic.

@Will, pretty funny… I just got an image of a Beatnik reading of some of Dr. Morey’s work

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